How Much Does Unit Marking Increase The Value~

cirelaw · 06-27-2022, 07:51 PM

I have 3 1913 units, two marked and one unmarked~ Does it make a difference in price? Are DWM and Erfurt the same value? TKS

gunbugs · 06-27-2022, 11:19 PM

As always, depends on the seller and the buyer. Unit marked guns are interesting, but not required.

Blm14740 · 06-28-2022, 01:01 AM

Do you have photos of the markings, Eric?

-Brandon

wlyon · 06-28-2022, 01:03 AM

Agree with Gunbugs above. I am not a unit marked collector. If they are there fine and if not fine also. I would not pay more for unit marks. I am sure others would. I am glad we don't all like the same things. Bill

LU1900 · 06-28-2022, 07:51 AM

Same , but I buy only lugers WWI with unit marking !

spripple33 · 06-28-2022, 01:32 PM

I would be willing to pay a bit more for a unit-marked gun, especially if it is a rarer or unusual unit mark.. Unit markings can help determine where the Luger has been and what it has witnessed. I feel they add character to the piece and help tell it's story. -Jason

Doubs · 06-28-2022, 03:30 PM

Years ago collectors turned their noses up at unit marked Lugers as having been defaced or somehow tainted. It time that attitude has largely changed as unit marks provide clues as to the pistol's history for those who are interested in such things.

Comments before mine indicate that some collectors have interest in unit marks while others are ambivalent and yet others prefer not having them. Personally I like unit marks and would pay a little more if it's something I want. But, as always, the overriding consideration is still condition.

JTD · 07-01-2022, 09:03 PM

Depending on the mark, I can overlook condition somewhat. This is from a collector of them, so.....
John

Schupo · 07-02-2022, 11:23 AM

I agree with all of the above.

I collect Police guns so I will pay more for marked firearms. This is particularly true for scarce unit markings. For instance, I bought a Police carbine from Gunbroker that no one else bid on because it had "Justizverwaltung" property markings. Research showed it was one of only 80 of these carbines made for a small Prison Police unit. That is scarcity and worth more IMHO.

Value all depends upon what you collect.

cirelaw · 07-02-2022, 12:08 PM

I have an artillery both gun and board marked 169th Baden`

cirelaw · 07-02-2022, 12:14 PM

History and pictures of the 169th Baden~http://www.pals.org.uk/ir169_e1.htm

Schupo · 07-03-2022, 11:16 AM

Research of the meaning of the unit markings is what really makes them more valuable. I would pay more for fully researched markings like these for the 169th Baden.

cirelaw · 07-03-2022, 05:07 PM

According to Jeff Knoll, 'The Imperial German Regimental Marking, page 60~DWM Lange 1917 s/n 6586a, Regimental Infantrie-Regiment 169.R.8.9. Infantry. Here is unit history for http://www.pals.org.uk/ir169_e1.htm

cirelaw · 07-04-2022, 08:04 PM

i view them as a luger birth certificate~Its a wealth of its'luger history!

MikeP · 07-08-2022, 05:41 PM

In the early 60s when my interest as a youngster turned to lugers, there were literally piles of them at shows. All varieties.
The "real" collectors, turned up their noses at unit marks, '41 BYFs, and the chrome or otherwise modified examples.
The seeds of stuffiness planted in many Luger enthusiasts took bloom early on.
It was fun to sort through those piles.

06-27-2022, 07:51 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	How Much Does Unit Marking Increase The Value~ I have 3 1913 units, two marked and one unmarked~ Does it make a difference in price? Are DWM and Erfurt the same value? TKS Attached Thumbnails

06-28-2022, 01:03 AM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	Agree with Gunbugs above. I am not a unit marked collector. If they are there fine and if not fine also. I would not pay more for unit marks. I am sure others would. I am glad we don't all like the same things. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

06-28-2022, 07:51 AM	#5
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 42 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	Same , but I buy only lugers WWI with unit marking ! __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

07-02-2022, 11:23 AM	#9
Schupo User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City Metro Posts: 206 Thanks: 1 Thanked 102 Times in 47 Posts	I agree with all of the above. I collect Police guns so I will pay more for marked firearms. This is particularly true for scarce unit markings. For instance, I bought a Police carbine from Gunbroker that no one else bid on because it had "Justizverwaltung" property markings. Research showed it was one of only 80 of these carbines made for a small Prison Police unit. That is scarcity and worth more IMHO. Value all depends upon what you collect. __________________ "You can't please everyone, so you have got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson

07-02-2022, 12:08 PM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I have an artillery both gun and board marked 169th Baden` Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

06-27-2022, 11:19 PM	#2
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 660 Thanks: 366 Thanked 1,179 Times in 395 Posts	As always, depends on the seller and the buyer. Unit marked guns are interesting, but not required.

06-28-2022, 01:01 AM	#3
Blm14740 User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Tennessee Posts: 53 Thanks: 6 Thanked 57 Times in 17 Posts	Do you have photos of the markings, Eric? -Brandon

06-28-2022, 01:32 PM	#6
spripple33 User Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Gettysburg, PA Posts: 85 Thanks: 137 Thanked 167 Times in 54 Posts	I would be willing to pay a bit more for a unit-marked gun, especially if it is a rarer or unusual unit mark.. Unit markings can help determine where the Luger has been and what it has witnessed. I feel they add character to the piece and help tell it's story. -Jason

06-28-2022, 03:30 PM	#7
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	Years ago collectors turned their noses up at unit marked Lugers as having been defaced or somehow tainted. It time that attitude has largely changed as unit marks provide clues as to the pistol's history for those who are interested in such things. Comments before mine indicate that some collectors have interest in unit marks while others are ambivalent and yet others prefer not having them. Personally I like unit marks and would pay a little more if it's something I want. But, as always, the overriding consideration is still condition.

07-01-2022, 09:03 PM	#8
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Depending on the mark, I can overlook condition somewhat. This is from a collector of them, so..... John

07-02-2022, 12:14 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	History and pictures of the 169th Baden~http://www.pals.org.uk/ir169_e1.htm Attached Images

07-03-2022, 11:16 AM	#12
Schupo User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City Metro Posts: 206 Thanks: 1 Thanked 102 Times in 47 Posts	Research of the meaning of the unit markings is what really makes them more valuable. I would pay more for fully researched markings like these for the 169th Baden. __________________ "You can't please everyone, so you have got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson

07-03-2022, 05:07 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	According to Jeff Knoll, 'The Imperial German Regimental Marking, page 60~DWM Lange 1917 s/n 6586a, Regimental Infantrie-Regiment 169.R.8.9. Infantry. Here is unit history for http://www.pals.org.uk/ir169_e1.htm

07-04-2022, 08:04 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	i view them as a luger birth certificate~Its a wealth of its'luger history!

07-08-2022, 05:41 PM	#15
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	In the early 60s when my interest as a youngster turned to lugers, there were literally piles of them at shows. All varieties. The "real" collectors, turned up their noses at unit marks, '41 BYFs, and the chrome or otherwise modified examples. The seeds of stuffiness planted in many Luger enthusiasts took bloom early on. It was fun to sort through those piles.