Ideal Luger Holster/Stock

G41M · 12-28-2023, 06:41 PM

Acquired this Ideal Luger Holster/Stock in late 2022 here locally. It was priced at $1000, but a one-day sale took it to $800. It followed me home.
Referencing Vol 3 of green Gortz & Sturgess p1415-1416 we learn the patent was granted on June 14, 1904, and assigned to the Ideal Holster Company of Los Angeles, California. However, the boxes for the holster/stock had a Toledo, Ohio address for the company. The "Patents Pending" stamping is the only stamp on the holster/stock. In the closed position, the overall length is 11", with the extension arms out, overall length is 14". This example is missing a tiny screw as seen in one of the pictures. As has been correctly pointed out in this forum, the Ideal holster/stock is only legal by BATFE rules with an American Eagle Model 1900, 1902, & 1906. Additionally, you also will need a set of the grip plates for attachment to your American Eagle. Enjoy the pictures.

ithacaartist · 12-30-2023, 02:48 AM

Interesting...and very nice. The missing screw shouldn't be much of a problem to overcome.

I've seen plenty of pics of Ideal stock/holster before, of ccourse, but this time around I noticed two keyhole-shaped holes in the sheet metal across the top, front side. Does anyone know what the original intent/use for these was?

Ron Wood · 12-30-2023, 02:56 PM

They are for attaching the belt clip...it is removable and can be attached to either side of the holster.
Ron

Ron Wood · 12-30-2023, 06:29 PM

I do indeed enjoy your pictures, thank you! They remind me of when I acquired my “Ideal Holster”, in much worse condition than yours. It was complete, but a collection of red rust and mostly brown, cracked, leather (the whole holster resembled the muzzle end of your holster in the right-side view). However, on the plus side it did include the metal backed grips. The down side was that one of the two-part right grip metal pieces had come loose and was separate (I silver soldered it back together), and the walnut grip scales were heavily damaged with chunks missing. I wish I had taken photos of the state in which I received it.

The good news is that it was salvageable. The first thing I did was make a wood “plug” to restore and maintain the shape of the leather part of the holster/stock. Then came the refinishing of the leather and metal and replacing the wood scales. A local master engraver touched up the “PATENTS PENDING” marking and I had some beautiful figured walnut to replace the scales. It turned out pretty good and it looks nice displayed with a 1906 American Eagle. Enjoy my pictures!
Ron

Edward Tinker · 12-30-2023, 11:55 PM

That is a great, great price!

G41M · 12-31-2023, 09:59 AM

Ed,
The store actually had two Ideal holster/stocks for sale. The other was for a vintage Smith & Wesson revolver, and as I recall about $2695 to buy. Similar condition as this one.

12-28-2023, 06:41 PM	#1
G41M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Texas Posts: 35 Thanks: 83 Thanked 143 Times in 24 Posts	Ideal Luger Holster/Stock Acquired this Ideal Luger Holster/Stock in late 2022 here locally. It was priced at $1000, but a one-day sale took it to $800. It followed me home. Referencing Vol 3 of green Gortz & Sturgess p1415-1416 we learn the patent was granted on June 14, 1904, and assigned to the Ideal Holster Company of Los Angeles, California. However, the boxes for the holster/stock had a Toledo, Ohio address for the company. The "Patents Pending" stamping is the only stamp on the holster/stock. In the closed position, the overall length is 11", with the extension arms out, overall length is 14". This example is missing a tiny screw as seen in one of the pictures. As has been correctly pointed out in this forum, the Ideal holster/stock is only legal by BATFE rules with an American Eagle Model 1900, 1902, & 1906. Additionally, you also will need a set of the grip plates for attachment to your American Eagle. Enjoy the pictures. Attached Thumbnails

12-30-2023, 02:48 AM	#2
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Interesting...and very nice. The missing screw shouldn't be much of a problem to overcome. I've seen plenty of pics of Ideal stock/holster before, of ccourse, but this time around I noticed two keyhole-shaped holes in the sheet metal across the top, front side. Does anyone know what the original intent/use for these was? __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

12-30-2023, 02:56 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	They are for attaching the belt clip...it is removable and can be attached to either side of the holster. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-30-2023, 06:29 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	I do indeed enjoy your pictures, thank you! They remind me of when I acquired my “Ideal Holster”, in much worse condition than yours. It was complete, but a collection of red rust and mostly brown, cracked, leather (the whole holster resembled the muzzle end of your holster in the right-side view). However, on the plus side it did include the metal backed grips. The down side was that one of the two-part right grip metal pieces had come loose and was separate (I silver soldered it back together), and the walnut grip scales were heavily damaged with chunks missing. I wish I had taken photos of the state in which I received it. The good news is that it was salvageable. The first thing I did was make a wood “plug” to restore and maintain the shape of the leather part of the holster/stock. Then came the refinishing of the leather and metal and replacing the wood scales. A local master engraver touched up the “PATENTS PENDING” marking and I had some beautiful figured walnut to replace the scales. It turned out pretty good and it looks nice displayed with a 1906 American Eagle. Enjoy my pictures! Ron Attached Thumbnails __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-30-2023, 11:55 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	That is a great, great price! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-31-2023, 09:59 AM	#6
G41M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Texas Posts: 35 Thanks: 83 Thanked 143 Times in 24 Posts	Ed, The store actually had two Ideal holster/stocks for sale. The other was for a vintage Smith & Wesson revolver, and as I recall about $2695 to buy. Similar condition as this one.