John Martz Carbine

Johnny Peppers · 08-16-2002, 12:25 AM

Does anyone have a ballpark figure for a John Martz Carbine? I have not seen the carbine yet, but it was described as being as new, carbine configuration in 9mm with 16" barrel, stock, and Boyt canvas carrying case. The left side of the receiver was stamped with the MSTR (Martz Safe Toggle Release), which identifies the maker. Apparently it started out as a 1920's vintage commercial as it is C/N proofed on the receiver, and the four digit serial number with a letter m suffix has been moved to the back of the frame. Any help appreciated

Garfield · 08-16-2002, 03:54 AM

The Blue Book lists a Maertz Carbine with stock for:
100% $7900
98% 5650
95% 3600
* My book is a couple of years old

Lodi Jim · 08-16-2002, 04:03 AM

Garfield's pricing is right on. Here's a 16" 1917.

Edward Tinker · 08-16-2002, 04:19 AM

[img]cool.gif[/img] Martz's have always interested me.

very nice pics!

Johnny Peppers · 08-16-2002, 10:45 AM

Thanks for the replys. Had no idea that it would be listed in the Blue Book.

Pete Ebbink · 08-18-2002, 03:21 AM

Hey there Jim Elson,....

Is this great Martz carbine in the Elson collection ?

If yes, congratulations !!!

<img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Lodi Jim · 08-19-2002, 04:11 AM

Hi Pete - Yes I've been fortunate to be able to secure three masterpieces from John Martz; a 16", 9mm Carbine; a 6" 45 ACP; and most recently a '00 2", 9mm Am Eagle (photos). John is in process of making a 7", 357sig on my G Date. For the purists these are made out of total mismatched units, but the end result is stunning. Not only is the workmanship flawless, but they are a kick to shoot.

Nice meeting you in Reno and thanks for the note on grips.

Regards,

Jim

Brandon · 08-19-2002, 10:46 AM

Mr. Elson,
I would just like to say that those two Lugers are BEAUTIFUL!!! You are very lucky to own such peices!

Thanks for posting pictures!

Very Best Regards,Brandon

Hugh · 08-19-2002, 09:49 PM

<img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> Absolutely stunning! <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

Freischütz · 08-20-2002, 12:10 AM

I'd like to hear more about the P.08 reworked for the 357 SIG. What action/frame strengthening is required?

Pete Ebbink · 08-20-2002, 01:18 AM

Hello again, Jim,

I think some of us Bay Area guys will need to crash your party the next time you take these Martz beauties out for a shooting date !!!

What wonderful lugers !!!
[img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Lodi Jim · 08-20-2002, 03:12 AM

I don't know what action and frame work is necessary for the 357 Sig but I think John has it figured out. Anyone traveling thru the Valley is always welcome to give a call - if it's a weekday, I'll probably be here. I can always find time to go shoot.

Jim

Jimbo · 08-20-2002, 03:04 PM

Hi Jim,

Thanks for sharing those beautiful photos. I hope you don't mind that I saved those photos so I can stare at them for a few hours. All are fantastic showpieces but that carbine is the stuff dreams are made of. I am glad computer keyboards aren't ruined by drool.

Lodi Jim · 08-20-2002, 04:00 PM

Thanks to all of you for your kind comments. IÃ¢??m feel very fortunate to have these showpieces but the credit goes to the genius of John Martz. I have three of his guns because every time I go to visit him, he shows me something I gotta have!!

He is 78, I think on Wednesday, and still going strong. If youÃ¢??re ever going up the 80 corridor by Roseville itÃ¢??s a worthwhile side trip.

Thanks again,

Jim

Pete Ebbink · 08-20-2002, 08:50 PM

Hello Again, Jim,

Can you educate me on what the four (4) letters, on the left-side of the frames on both your carbine and baby, stand for ?

Pete...

Edward Tinker · 08-20-2002, 08:54 PM

PETE !!!

Hey dude, read Johnnys posting, I'll bet it is MSTR (Martz Safe Toggle Release) yuck, yuck, heh, heh... [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Okay, I'll go back to work, still writing those reports up.

Pete Ebbink · 08-20-2002, 09:02 PM

Hello Ed,

Does this MSTR thingy act like a "de-cocking" lever; like in modern day auto-pistols ?

Does this MSTR also act like a regular thumb safety, as well ?

In which direction does it act as a thumb safety and in what direction does it do the MSTR function ?

Pete

Edward Tinker · 08-20-2002, 10:02 PM

Oh for goodness sakes Pete, I'm over 40, I read this like 15 years ago!

Otherwise, I'm too stupid to remember, [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Johnny or Jim?

Ron Wood · 08-20-2002, 10:24 PM

MSTR still functions like a normal thumb safety. After you have fired the last shot and the toggle remains open, you can remove the old magazine and insert a loaded one. Then by placing the thumb safety lever to the "Safe" position, the MSTR will automatically release the toggle, chambering the first round. The weapon is now loaded and the safety is applied.

Edward Tinker · 08-20-2002, 10:47 PM

Cool!

Thanks Ron. [img]smile.gif[/img]

08-16-2002, 12:25 AM	#1
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John Martz Carbine Does anyone have a ballpark figure for a John Martz Carbine? I have not seen the carbine yet, but it was described as being as new, carbine configuration in 9mm with 16" barrel, stock, and Boyt canvas carrying case. The left side of the receiver was stamped with the MSTR (Martz Safe Toggle Release), which identifies the maker. Apparently it started out as a 1920's vintage commercial as it is C/N proofed on the receiver, and the four digit serial number with a letter m suffix has been moved to the back of the frame. Any help appreciated

08-16-2002, 04:19 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	[img]cool.gif[/img] Martz's have always interested me. very nice pics! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-19-2002, 09:49 PM	#9
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	<img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> Absolutely stunning! <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-20-2002, 08:54 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	PETE !!! Hey dude, read Johnnys posting, I'll bet it is MSTR (Martz Safe Toggle Release) yuck, yuck, heh, heh... [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Okay, I'll go back to work, still writing those reports up. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-20-2002, 10:02 PM	#18
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Oh for goodness sakes Pete, I'm over 40, I read this like 15 years ago! Otherwise, I'm too stupid to remember, [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Johnny or Jim? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-16-2002, 03:54 AM	#2
Garfield User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A little SE of Nome Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Blue Book lists a Maertz Carbine with stock for: 100% $7900 98% 5650 95% 3600 * My book is a couple of years old

08-16-2002, 04:03 AM	#3
Lodi Jim User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 65 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Garfield's pricing is right on. Here's a 16" 1917.

08-16-2002, 10:45 AM	#5
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks for the replys. Had no idea that it would be listed in the Blue Book.

08-18-2002, 03:21 AM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hey there Jim Elson,.... Is this great Martz carbine in the Elson collection ? If yes, congratulations !!! <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

08-19-2002, 04:11 AM	#7
Lodi Jim User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 65 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi Pete - Yes I've been fortunate to be able to secure three masterpieces from John Martz; a 16", 9mm Carbine; a 6" 45 ACP; and most recently a '00 2", 9mm Am Eagle (photos). John is in process of making a 7", 357sig on my G Date. For the purists these are made out of total mismatched units, but the end result is stunning. Not only is the workmanship flawless, but they are a kick to shoot. Nice meeting you in Reno and thanks for the note on grips. Regards, Jim

08-19-2002, 10:46 AM	#8
Brandon User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 329 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mr. Elson, I would just like to say that those two Lugers are BEAUTIFUL!!! You are very lucky to own such peices! Thanks for posting pictures! Very Best Regards,Brandon

08-20-2002, 12:10 AM	#10
Freischütz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Eastern Washington Posts: 125 Thanks: 9 Thanked 26 Times in 19 Posts	I'd like to hear more about the P.08 reworked for the 357 SIG. What action/frame strengthening is required?

08-20-2002, 01:18 AM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello again, Jim, I think some of us Bay Area guys will need to crash your party the next time you take these Martz beauties out for a shooting date !!! What wonderful lugers !!! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

08-20-2002, 03:12 AM	#12
Lodi Jim User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 65 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I don't know what action and frame work is necessary for the 357 Sig but I think John has it figured out. Anyone traveling thru the Valley is always welcome to give a call - if it's a weekday, I'll probably be here. I can always find time to go shoot. Jim

08-20-2002, 03:04 PM	#13
Jimbo User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF CA Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Jim, Thanks for sharing those beautiful photos. I hope you don't mind that I saved those photos so I can stare at them for a few hours. All are fantastic showpieces but that carbine is the stuff dreams are made of. I am glad computer keyboards aren't ruined by drool.

08-20-2002, 04:00 PM	#14
Lodi Jim User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 65 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks to all of you for your kind comments. IÃ¢??m feel very fortunate to have these showpieces but the credit goes to the genius of John Martz. I have three of his guns because every time I go to visit him, he shows me something I gotta have!! He is 78, I think on Wednesday, and still going strong. If youÃ¢??re ever going up the 80 corridor by Roseville itÃ¢??s a worthwhile side trip. Thanks again, Jim

08-20-2002, 08:50 PM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Again, Jim, Can you educate me on what the four (4) letters, on the left-side of the frames on both your carbine and baby, stand for ? Pete...

08-20-2002, 09:02 PM	#17
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Ed, Does this MSTR thingy act like a "de-cocking" lever; like in modern day auto-pistols ? Does this MSTR also act like a regular thumb safety, as well ? In which direction does it act as a thumb safety and in what direction does it do the MSTR function ? Pete

08-20-2002, 10:24 PM	#19
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	MSTR still functions like a normal thumb safety. After you have fired the last shot and the toggle remains open, you can remove the old magazine and insert a loaded one. Then by placing the thumb safety lever to the "Safe" position, the MSTR will automatically release the toggle, chambering the first round. The weapon is now loaded and the safety is applied. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-20-2002, 10:47 PM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Cool! Thanks Ron. [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV