Walther magazine safety.

Max Mauser · 07-12-2004, 07:18 PM

Dear Sirs. Have any of you an illustration, or picture, of the Walther patent magazine safety? I have a P08 that has the ordinary shivy safety, but also have some cutout holes on the side of the trigger, (actualy back and up from the trigger (aaa, not a very good description Im afraid!). Mabye for the Walther safety!? I dont know! Please advise me.

Edward Tinker · 07-12-2004, 08:04 PM

Like this Max?

http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugergal...ce_parts_color

Max Mauser · 07-12-2004, 08:38 PM

I guess that your picture illustrates what Im looking for. There are obviously parts missing on mine. Would it be possible to obtain these missing parts, or am I forced to make repros? Please advise me. If so, could you send me the measurments etc? I would be forever greatful, and please let me know if I ever can do you a favor sometime.

Max Mauser · 07-12-2004, 08:41 PM

Picture without grips.

Edward Tinker · 07-12-2004, 09:15 PM

There are a few safeties floating out on e-bay, I have seen two for sale and they are very expensive. Keep in mind that from official orders, the magazine safeties were ordered to be pulled, and so either you see a blank spot where it has been pulled or you see some of the safety still remaining.

Mine is almost complete, that is fairly unusual to see btw.

Ed

Here is a page from Third Reich Lugers, by Jan C. Still;

<a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/safety.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/safety.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

Pete Ebbink · 07-12-2004, 09:43 PM

Hello Kjell,

Does your luger have a circular hole drilled into the left side of the frame and does you side plate have a vertical slot/cut ?

If not, your luger might have just had some wooden grips from another pistol placed on your gun.

Here is a photo showing the metal hole and the vertical slot/cut I mentioned...

<a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/peteserfurt10.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/peteserfurt10.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

p.s. I noticed your Avatar photo/jpeg shows a case full of lugers. Are these, by chance, all in your collection ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Max Mauser · 07-12-2004, 09:58 PM

Wow, that was fast! Thank you Edward, very interesting to se the drawings. Sounds like a book I have to buy. I think that I will keep the P08 the way it is until eventualy some original parts surfaces. Pete, the hole is most definitivily there, so I guess that its original to the pistol. As for the Avatar, there are probably many on this forum that has more P08`s than me. I sold of a few of them, but have kept the goodies:-)

Ron Wood · 07-12-2004, 10:34 PM

Max,
Nice looking gun, but you will have to do more than acquire the missing safety. When the safety was removed on your Luger, the retaining slot in the frame was filled/welded shut and will have to be recut. Since the hole remains this is not an extensive modification, but begs the question if it is worth the effort.

Max Mauser · 07-12-2004, 10:46 PM

Thanks for pointing that out Ron, and thank you. Yes I guess that the best thing would be to leave it as it is, since it is an "official" alteration it has its own history anyhow. If the alteration had been a result of a "Mr Fixit" on the other hand it would have been more etical to bring it back to its original state.

Lugerdoc · 07-13-2004, 11:05 AM

Max, I think that you're wise to leave your PO8 as is. Even if you find the remains of a mag safety, it would not change the function of your luger, as they all have had the part that goes behind the trigger cut off. If you were to ever find an "uncut" one, it has probably been restored or recreated, and would probably fail quickly, as did the originals, and you could not fire your gun. TH

John Sabato · 07-13-2004, 12:03 PM

Max, I would love to have good photographs of your box of Lugers for my Luger photo collection Please check your Private Messages (click on the 'My Profile'link at the top of this page...for my email address.

Good Luck with your new camera!

Max Mauser · 07-14-2004, 08:02 PM

Hello John

You got mail!

Max Mauser · 07-14-2004, 08:03 PM

I will most definitively listen to your advise Lugerdoc; The gun stays as it is!

sambuscemi · 08-04-2004, 09:25 PM

Max: If you decide to ever change your mind I have 3 original safeties left from 8 that I bought right out of Germany. They are not repo's and they are of one piece construction and have never been repaired. I have replaced a few on the guns I have without any difficulties but you do need the slot and hole to make it work correctly. SAM Buscemi

Pete Ebbink · 08-05-2004, 12:46 PM

Hi Sam,

I would be interested in 1 magazine safety.

Could you send me the particulars at "[email protected]" ?

Thanks,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Ron Wood · 08-06-2004, 01:17 AM

Me too.
[email protected]
Thanks
Ron

Pete Ebbink · 08-06-2004, 01:54 AM

Hey Ron,

Sam was kind enough to send me an email that said 3-4 guys are in line ahead of me and he is only selling one...and you are in line behind me,,,

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Ron Wood · 08-06-2004, 06:44 AM

Been in that situation many times before...getting used to it.

sambuscemi · 08-08-2004, 01:32 AM

Just so you know guys - I have received a positive response from one of the initially interested individuals on the mag safety and I have sold it to him. Altogether there were 7 inquires.

07-12-2004, 07:18 PM	#1
Max Mauser User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Walther magazine safety. Dear Sirs. Have any of you an illustration, or picture, of the Walther patent magazine safety? I have a P08 that has the ordinary shivy safety, but also have some cutout holes on the side of the trigger, (actualy back and up from the trigger (aaa, not a very good description Im afraid!). Mabye for the Walther safety!? I dont know! Please advise me.

07-12-2004, 08:04 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Like this Max? http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugergal...ce_parts_color __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-12-2004, 09:15 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	There are a few safeties floating out on e-bay, I have seen two for sale and they are very expensive. Keep in mind that from official orders, the magazine safeties were ordered to be pulled, and so either you see a blank spot where it has been pulled or you see some of the safety still remaining. Mine is almost complete, that is fairly unusual to see btw. Ed Here is a page from Third Reich Lugers, by Jan C. Still; <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/safety.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/safety.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-12-2004, 10:34 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Max, Nice looking gun, but you will have to do more than acquire the missing safety. When the safety was removed on your Luger, the retaining slot in the frame was filled/welded shut and will have to be recut. Since the hole remains this is not an extensive modification, but begs the question if it is worth the effort. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-13-2004, 11:05 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Max, I think that you're wise to leave your PO8 as is. Even if you find the remains of a mag safety, it would not change the function of your luger, as they all have had the part that goes behind the trigger cut off. If you were to ever find an "uncut" one, it has probably been restored or recreated, and would probably fail quickly, as did the originals, and you could not fire your gun. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

07-12-2004, 08:38 PM	#3
Max Mauser User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I guess that your picture illustrates what Im looking for. There are obviously parts missing on mine. Would it be possible to obtain these missing parts, or am I forced to make repros? Please advise me. If so, could you send me the measurments etc? I would be forever greatful, and please let me know if I ever can do you a favor sometime.

07-12-2004, 08:41 PM	#4
Max Mauser User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Picture without grips.

07-12-2004, 09:43 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Kjell, Does your luger have a circular hole drilled into the left side of the frame and does you side plate have a vertical slot/cut ? If not, your luger might have just had some wooden grips from another pistol placed on your gun. Here is a photo showing the metal hole and the vertical slot/cut I mentioned... <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/peteserfurt10.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/peteserfurt10.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> p.s. I noticed your Avatar photo/jpeg shows a case full of lugers. Are these, by chance, all in your collection ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

07-12-2004, 09:58 PM	#7
Max Mauser User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow, that was fast! Thank you Edward, very interesting to se the drawings. Sounds like a book I have to buy. I think that I will keep the P08 the way it is until eventualy some original parts surfaces. Pete, the hole is most definitivily there, so I guess that its original to the pistol. As for the Avatar, there are probably many on this forum that has more P08`s than me. I sold of a few of them, but have kept the goodies:-)

07-12-2004, 10:46 PM	#9
Max Mauser User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for pointing that out Ron, and thank you. Yes I guess that the best thing would be to leave it as it is, since it is an "official" alteration it has its own history anyhow. If the alteration had been a result of a "Mr Fixit" on the other hand it would have been more etical to bring it back to its original state.

07-13-2004, 12:03 PM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Max, I would love to have good photographs of your box of Lugers for my Luger photo collection Please check your Private Messages (click on the 'My Profile'link at the top of this page...for my email address. Good Luck with your new camera! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-14-2004, 08:02 PM	#12
Max Mauser User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello John You got mail!

07-14-2004, 08:03 PM	#13
Max Mauser User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I will most definitively listen to your advise Lugerdoc; The gun stays as it is!

08-04-2004, 09:25 PM	#14
sambuscemi User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 192 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 4 Posts	Max: If you decide to ever change your mind I have 3 original safeties left from 8 that I bought right out of Germany. They are not repo's and they are of one piece construction and have never been repaired. I have replaced a few on the guns I have without any difficulties but you do need the slot and hole to make it work correctly. SAM Buscemi

08-05-2004, 12:46 PM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Sam, I would be interested in 1 magazine safety. Could you send me the particulars at "[email protected]" ? Thanks, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-06-2004, 01:17 AM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Me too. [email protected] Thanks Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-06-2004, 01:54 AM	#17
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hey Ron, Sam was kind enough to send me an email that said 3-4 guys are in line ahead of me and he is only selling one...and you are in line behind me,,, Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-06-2004, 06:44 AM	#18
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Been in that situation many times before...getting used to it. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-08-2004, 01:32 AM	#19
sambuscemi User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 192 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 4 Posts	Just so you know guys - I have received a positive response from one of the initially interested individuals on the mag safety and I have sold it to him. Altogether there were 7 inquires.