blackwidow

Frank H · 07-09-2003, 12:50 AM

What designates a blackwidow?

Edward Tinker · 07-09-2003, 12:57 AM

See the General Information section FAQ area;

http://www.lugerforum.com/FAQ.html

Q: What is a "Black Widow" Luger?
A: Typically a 41 or a 42 dated chamber Mauser, toggle coded "byf" with black plastic grips (on about 20% of them). This was simply a marketing tactic employed, and the phase was coined by Ralph Shattuck (he tells me). It really worked. These guns have a black salt blued finish, black grips, and all blued (black color) small parts (trigger, safety lever and take down lever). Some of the 1940 vintage (a very few), and 41/42 Lugers had them also, but primiarly the "byf" with black grips are a "Black Widow". This was an American invention, and had no German basis at all! German collectors say "Huh?" sometimes, when you mention the term! Shown below is an example of a "Black Widow".

Thor

Ed

John Sabato · 07-09-2003, 12:32 PM

Do a search on the term Black Widow and you will find many photographic examples representative of the 'breed'

Strider · 07-09-2003, 03:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> "Shown below is an example of a "Black Widow".

Thor"
<hr /></blockquote>Ok Ed, I am a bit confused. Are you saying Thor is a "black widow"

or did you leave something out. <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

Edward Tinker · 07-09-2003, 04:37 PM

Strider, its like this, shhhhhhh, don't tell anyone, but Thor was really one of those black ops guys, but he kept hitting things with his hammer and they tossed him out!

Ed

Strider · 07-09-2003, 06:21 PM

Well now, that would explain why he uses them blue pencils for bullets. Can't get the real bullets in because of the swelling of his thumb he kept hitting.

sverre · 07-09-2003, 09:44 PM

there are some pics of my 41 black widow in the membergallery. including the grips.

sverre.

John Sabato · 07-10-2003, 12:33 PM

sverre,

Just to keep the record straight for the new members...The beautiful gun you have in the member gallery is technically only a "Black Widow" from the chamber back... The longer barrel is a post war modification by some previous owner...

I hope you are successful in locating the original barrel so you can restore this gun...

Lugerdoc · 07-11-2003, 09:52 AM

Sverre et al, I do have a few WW2 era unused armour's spare 9x100mm barrels available. New bores, unnumbered, with WaA 623 (Steyr) or 655 (Mauser). TH

07-09-2003, 12:50 AM	#1
Frank H User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: N. FL Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	blackwidow What designates a blackwidow?

07-09-2003, 12:57 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	See the General Information section FAQ area; http://www.lugerforum.com/FAQ.html Q: What is a "Black Widow" Luger? A: Typically a 41 or a 42 dated chamber Mauser, toggle coded "byf" with black plastic grips (on about 20% of them). This was simply a marketing tactic employed, and the phase was coined by Ralph Shattuck (he tells me). It really worked. These guns have a black salt blued finish, black grips, and all blued (black color) small parts (trigger, safety lever and take down lever). Some of the 1940 vintage (a very few), and 41/42 Lugers had them also, but primiarly the "byf" with black grips are a "Black Widow". This was an American invention, and had no German basis at all! German collectors say "Huh?" sometimes, when you mention the term! Shown below is an example of a "Black Widow". Thor Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-09-2003, 12:32 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Do a search on the term Black Widow and you will find many photographic examples representative of the 'breed' __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-09-2003, 03:22 PM	#4
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> "Shown below is an example of a "Black Widow". Thor" </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Ok Ed, I am a bit confused. Are you saying Thor is a "black widow" or did you leave something out. <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

07-09-2003, 04:37 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Strider, its like this, shhhhhhh, don't tell anyone, but Thor was really one of those black ops guys, but he kept hitting things with his hammer and they tossed him out! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-09-2003, 06:21 PM	#6
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well now, that would explain why he uses them blue pencils for bullets. Can't get the real bullets in because of the swelling of his thumb he kept hitting. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

07-09-2003, 09:44 PM	#7
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	there are some pics of my 41 black widow in the membergallery. including the grips. sverre.

07-10-2003, 12:33 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	sverre, Just to keep the record straight for the new members...The beautiful gun you have in the member gallery is technically only a "Black Widow" from the chamber back... The longer barrel is a post war modification by some previous owner... I hope you are successful in locating the original barrel so you can restore this gun... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-11-2003, 09:52 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Sverre et al, I do have a few WW2 era unused armour's spare 9x100mm barrels available. New bores, unnumbered, with WaA 623 (Steyr) or 655 (Mauser). TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]