grips

Rick W. · 12-03-2002, 09:30 PM

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drbuster · 12-03-2002, 10:46 PM

Dear Rick W. These do look like Krieghoff grips like thos that I used to own. But aside, look at those proof marks on the frame and receiver of that Mauser luger! the lazy "U" looks like Oberndorf commercial proofs but what are those sunburst things? What are the chamber and toggle markings? Can anyone comment on those proofs?

Dwight Gruber · 12-04-2002, 01:26 AM

Heh, Rick, you -know- that scans of proof marks are always of interest! [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

For that matter, I'd like to see closeups of the marks on the left side...

--Dwight

Lugerdoc · 12-04-2002, 10:28 AM

Rick, I agree that the markings that you describe are typical of some E.German reworks. Your brown checkered grips do appear to be original KH, as the available repros of these, don't have the same shiney boarders. Tom H.

John Sabato · 12-04-2002, 12:21 PM

I am certainly not the Kreighoff expert,...John D. will have to give his opinion here... but IMHO these look like genuine Krieghoff Grips...

John D. · 12-05-2002, 10:20 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Rick W.:
<strong>Hello,

A pistol that I purchased a lot of years ago, came to me with brown plastic grips....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hi Rick..!!

Based on what I can see in the pictures - these sure look correct..! If so, you have a fine set of Krieg grips! I do notice that the picture when they are mounted to the Luger - the left top grip edge looks slightly "mis-aligned"? Is that the picture - or just the way they sit on the pistol?

Anyway - the interior looks correct, as do the what I can see on the exterior.. If you could post a picture of the left panel unmounted - with the top edge in focus - it would really help...

Hope this helps!!!

John D. · 12-06-2002, 09:21 AM

Hi Rick..!

These scans are excellent! Thanks..!! The top edge along with the rear "keeper" look absolutely correct - that was the detail I wanted to see, along with the "finish" of the top edge... Based on what I can see - these certainly appear as original Krieg issue... Usually, the fakes/repros I've seen (even some that look like they were molded after an original set) have the following characteristics...

- The top edge diamonds are not crisp on the fakes/repros. By comparision - yours look terrific!;

- The overall diamond pattern is WAY off on some repros - yours, on the other hand, are exactly right..;

- The top seam is canted either up or down, almost like a molding deficiency (your look great and certainly original!);

- The originals are "roughly" cut on the top between the two keepers and fakes are usually polished "smooth" (yours look terrific!!);

- On the back side - the screw holes on the fakes either are not "tapped", or the counter-sink around the holes are not correct - yours certainly look absolutely right...

- On the outer side, where the grip screw sets, their is a definate diamond pattern to originals vs. the fakes/repros I've seen.. Yours sure have the original pattern in that area...

- Etc...

Rick - really nice!! Thanks for posting this thread and the additional photos!! They are a pleasure to look at..! Want to trade your Krieg grips for a pair of good Mauser grips ( [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img] ) Just kidding..!!! LOL!!!

Now - about the snow up in this area, all I have to say is "ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHH...." But, being indoors a lot isn't too bad, especially as there is an indoor range about a mile away... Hopefully, I'll have a chance to visit it this afternoon or weekend..!!!

Rick - thanks again...!!!

Edward Tinker · 12-06-2002, 11:49 AM

Hey, this was a good learning expereince on Krieg grips, I'll copy it for the FAQ!

Still working on it <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" />

Pete Ebbink · 12-06-2002, 12:18 PM

Watching with interest how high this pair of brown, coarse HK grips will go for...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=744722100

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

John D. · 12-06-2002, 04:43 PM

Hi Rick..!

You are most welcome - thanks for the excellent follow up photo's..!!! Yes - I have seen a few examples of all the Krieg grips (wood, black, brown, fine checkered) and even some that were presented as "original Krieg grips" that looked like they came out of an "Easy Bake Oven" [img]smile.gif[/img]

Pete:

For the grips on e-Bay - they look pretty "ratty" (it could be the photo??), but if original, should fetch about $200... They'll probably go for more (a lot more!) as it's "ebay"!!! Need I say more?? [img]wink.gif[/img]

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Rick, I agree that the markings that you describe are typical of some E.German reworks. Your brown checkered grips do appear to be original KH, as the available repros of these, don't have the same shiney boarders. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I am certainly not the Kreighoff expert,...John D. will have to give his opinion here... but IMHO these look like genuine Krieghoff Grips... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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12-03-2002, 10:46 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Dear Rick W. These do look like Krieghoff grips like thos that I used to own. But aside, look at those proof marks on the frame and receiver of that Mauser luger! the lazy "U" looks like Oberndorf commercial proofs but what are those sunburst things? What are the chamber and toggle markings? Can anyone comment on those proofs?

12-04-2002, 01:26 AM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Heh, Rick, you -know- that scans of proof marks are always of interest! [img]biggrin.gif[/img] For that matter, I'd like to see closeups of the marks on the left side... --Dwight

12-05-2002, 10:20 PM	#6
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Rick W.: <strong>Hello, A pistol that I purchased a lot of years ago, came to me with brown plastic grips....</strong><hr></blockquote> Hi Rick..!! Based on what I can see in the pictures - these sure look correct..! If so, you have a fine set of Krieg grips! I do notice that the picture when they are mounted to the Luger - the left top grip edge looks slightly "mis-aligned"? Is that the picture - or just the way they sit on the pistol? Anyway - the interior looks correct, as do the what I can see on the exterior.. If you could post a picture of the left panel unmounted - with the top edge in focus - it would really help... Hope this helps!!!

12-06-2002, 09:21 AM	#7
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi Rick..! These scans are excellent! Thanks..!! The top edge along with the rear "keeper" look absolutely correct - that was the detail I wanted to see, along with the "finish" of the top edge... Based on what I can see - these certainly appear as original Krieg issue... Usually, the fakes/repros I've seen (even some that look like they were molded after an original set) have the following characteristics... - The top edge diamonds are not crisp on the fakes/repros. By comparision - yours look terrific!; - The overall diamond pattern is WAY off on some repros - yours, on the other hand, are exactly right..; - The top seam is canted either up or down, almost like a molding deficiency (your look great and certainly original!); - The originals are "roughly" cut on the top between the two keepers and fakes are usually polished "smooth" (yours look terrific!!); - On the back side - the screw holes on the fakes either are not "tapped", or the counter-sink around the holes are not correct - yours certainly look absolutely right... - On the outer side, where the grip screw sets, their is a definate diamond pattern to originals vs. the fakes/repros I've seen.. Yours sure have the original pattern in that area... - Etc... Rick - really nice!! Thanks for posting this thread and the additional photos!! They are a pleasure to look at..! Want to trade your Krieg grips for a pair of good Mauser grips ( [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img] ) Just kidding..!!! LOL!!! Now - about the snow up in this area, all I have to say is "ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHH...." But, being indoors a lot isn't too bad, especially as there is an indoor range about a mile away... Hopefully, I'll have a chance to visit it this afternoon or weekend..!!! Rick - thanks again...!!!

12-06-2002, 12:18 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Watching with interest how high this pair of brown, coarse HK grips will go for... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=744722100 Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

12-06-2002, 04:43 PM	#10
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi Rick..! You are most welcome - thanks for the excellent follow up photo's..!!! Yes - I have seen a few examples of all the Krieg grips (wood, black, brown, fine checkered) and even some that were presented as "original Krieg grips" that looked like they came out of an "Easy Bake Oven" [img]smile.gif[/img] Pete: For the grips on e-Bay - they look pretty "ratty" (it could be the photo??), but if original, should fetch about $200... They'll probably go for more (a lot more!) as it's "ebay"!!! Need I say more?? [img]wink.gif[/img]