High Noon

Roadkill · 11-12-2004, 10:45 PM

Yeah, yeah. I know it. Here I go again. Just watched Gary Cooper and Grace Kelley in High Noon. Most likely will go to the gun store tomorrow and get a cowboy gun. That was a good movie though. Thinking about a Vaquero in .45 acp. Any other suggestions?

rk

Navy · 11-12-2004, 10:50 PM

RK,

Have a couple of beers, relax, and the urge will pass.

Tom A.

Heinz · 11-12-2004, 10:58 PM

Roadkill, If you get a cowboy pistol get a cowboy calibre. 45 colt (not acp) is my favorite. The Aldo Uberti cartridge models can be had pretty cheap. I used to have a Colt in 44 special but they are too pricey to keep. The Vaqueros are nice but my choice in a cowboy pistol would be a 1900 Luger or a broomhandle:-)

Edward Tinker · 11-13-2004, 12:02 AM

I like them, fun to shoot, and have good whack to them.

I shoot a 357 Mitchel Arms and an Uberti 45 Long Colt, I like the Long colt RK... Don't bother getting anything else... The bottom two are my shooters, the rest, well, actually, all came from my late father in laws collection, a really good guy...

An actual 3rd or 4th gen Colt will cost $1200-$1500...

AGE · 11-13-2004, 12:26 AM

I have both .44 and .45 Long Colt Colts. Great guns, I prefer the .45. There are some really nice clones out there these days, especially the Berettas, etc. The Rugers are too darn big and crude. Granted, they are great durable guns (I have a .44 SS mag. for a boat gun - still have to try it under water some day) but not near as neeeaat as the Colts and close clones.

Ron Wood · 11-13-2004, 01:53 AM

Check out American Western Arms (AWA) Peacekeeper. It is one of the best Colt clones and the action is as smooth as silk right out of the box. Considering the quality, the price is really reasonable. I have had hand-tuned Colt single actions that weren't any better than my current AWA that hasn't had any tuneup at all. The .45 Long Colt is a real fun caliber. Go for it cowboy.

Roadkill · 11-13-2004, 11:28 AM

Not that I needed any prompting. Thanks. I'll get the .45 long colt. I think I can reload that with .45 acp dies. Nice guns Ed. That sure was a good movie.

Do not forsake me oh my darlin'
On this our wedding day
Do not forsake me oh my darlin'
Wait, wait along
I do not know what fate awaits me
I only know I must be brave
And I must face a man who hates me
Or lie a coward, a craven coward
Or lie a coward in my grave
Oh to be torn 'twixt love and duty
'Sposin' I lose my fair haired beauty
Look at that big hand move along
Nearin' high noon
He made a vow while in State's prison
Vowed it would be my life or his
I'm not afraid of death but, oh
What will I do if you leave me
Do not forsake me oh my darlin'
You made that promise as a bride
Do not forsake me oh my darlin'
Although you're grievin'
Don't think of leavin'
Now that I need you by my side
Wait along, wait along

rk

policeluger · 11-13-2004, 12:18 PM

I have a pair of Hartford Colt clones, with Lee cowboy action jobs, coming in for resale, in fact I got about 13 guns mostly NIB, S&W, Ruger ect, all revolvers, coming in for resale, anyway the guns are 99% and each have a $150 action job, and the prices will be real reasonable, if you can wait....to be sold as a pair only...

Roadkill · 11-13-2004, 01:14 PM

Thanks for the offer,let us know when they come available.

rk

Johnny C. Kitchens · 11-13-2004, 10:44 PM

Not to take anything away from a truly great movie, but here is something to look for. There is a scene where Gary Cooper is standing in the street all alone and the camera pulls back slowly to show that he truly is all alone. Look at the upper left corner of the scene and you can see TV antennas on the roof of houses...

AGE · 11-14-2004, 12:40 AM

RK,

Yes the AWA guns are really nice. I forgot about them, but I have handled them.

You probably can't get away with .45 ACP dies, but give it a try. I found Lee dies with the free shellholder (you'll need at least that) work great. I do use 230 grain round nose lead bullets for my SAA with 7.5 grains of Unique powder--very accurate in my gun.

G.W. Gill · 11-14-2004, 01:50 AM

J. C. Kitchens, I like looking for that stuff too. Thanks. The antennas beat the jet trails.

pipeman45 · 11-14-2004, 03:52 PM

Another gun to look at are the ones from USF. They are true clones.They are a little pricy,but not near as high as the Colts.

Lugerdoc · 11-14-2004, 06:56 PM

RK, Why not stick with a German quality SAA clone. I have an exc original blued 6" .44 Sauer with wood grips available @$225 + S&H. Tom

Navy · 11-14-2004, 11:03 PM

Great article in current Gun List about the rise of the Colt clones back when I was a pup....I recall Hy Hunter fondly.

Tom A.

unspellable · 11-15-2004, 06:51 PM

If you do happen to get the Ruger Blackhawk, they are available with two cylinders, one for 45 ACP, the other for 45 Colt. I have one with both cylinders. In the Ruger you can load the 45 Colt to level II at higher than standard pressures.

(This creates a litle problem for me. I have two revolvers that will take level II loads and four that call for standard level I loads. For now I am running only level I loads until I figure out a fool proof system to avoid getting them mixed.)

Heinz · 11-15-2004, 08:19 PM

Unspellable, I use lead bullets in standard loads and 1/2 Jacketed hollow points or 1/2 jacketed soft points in hot loads. It is not foolproof but it does help to remind me what the heck is in the box.

Black powder loads are also a real kick for cowboy guns. 6 rounds is about like a smoke screen:-) 12 rounds and the gun needs cleaning :-(

PaulP · 11-15-2004, 10:05 PM

Roadkill,

One thing about the Vaquero you may or may not be aware of, although it is a great pistol for the money, is that the internal design of the lockwork is different than that of the Colt. Because of this, when you **** it, it doesn't sound or feel the same as far as the number of "clicks". I have modified mine with a Power Custom Single Action Hammer and Trigger and now it has the half-**** notch which gives the extra click, but while it is better it still isn't the same (just my opinion only). The added half-**** notch also allows the cylinder chambers to better align with the loading gate. You may want to check this out when you look at one (it is possible that Ruger may have changed their design but I don't think so) and also compare it to some of the SAA clones. I also replaced the alloy Ejector Rod Housing with a Power Custom steel housing and rod. The Power Custom set-up more closely replicates the Colt's looks and action. Of course, unless you shoot both like I do, some of this may not be that important to you.

As to caliber, I would also recommend .45 Long Colt (LC). You probably can use .45 ACP dies for the LC but may have to watch out as to sizing of the mouth. Since the ACP headspaces on the mouth of the cartridge case, some manufacturer's dies may not allow a tight enough crimp. I do believe you will need a need shell holder as the LC is a rimmed case.

Not to preach, but do remember to only load five chambers. The SAA is really a lot of fun to shoot, I.m sure you will really enjoy having one.
Paul

11-12-2004, 10:45 PM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	High Noon Yeah, yeah. I know it. Here I go again. Just watched Gary Cooper and Grace Kelley in High Noon. Most likely will go to the gun store tomorrow and get a cowboy gun. That was a good movie though. Thinking about a Vaquero in .45 acp. Any other suggestions? rk

11-13-2004, 12:02 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I like them, fun to shoot, and have good whack to them. I shoot a 357 Mitchel Arms and an Uberti 45 Long Colt, I like the Long colt RK... Don't bother getting anything else... The bottom two are my shooters, the rest, well, actually, all came from my late father in laws collection, a really good guy... An actual 3rd or 4th gen Colt will cost $1200-$1500... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-13-2004, 12:26 AM	#5
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have both .44 and .45 Long Colt Colts. Great guns, I prefer the .45. There are some really nice clones out there these days, especially the Berettas, etc. The Rugers are too darn big and crude. Granted, they are great durable guns (I have a .44 SS mag. for a boat gun - still have to try it under water some day) but not near as neeeaat as the Colts and close clones. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

11-13-2004, 01:53 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Check out American Western Arms (AWA) Peacekeeper. It is one of the best Colt clones and the action is as smooth as silk right out of the box. Considering the quality, the price is really reasonable. I have had hand-tuned Colt single actions that weren't any better than my current AWA that hasn't had any tuneup at all. The .45 Long Colt is a real fun caliber. Go for it cowboy. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-13-2004, 10:44 PM	#10
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Not to take anything away from a truly great movie, but here is something to look for. There is a scene where Gary Cooper is standing in the street all alone and the camera pulls back slowly to show that he truly is all alone. Look at the upper left corner of the scene and you can see TV antennas on the roof of houses... __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

11-12-2004, 10:50 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	RK, Have a couple of beers, relax, and the urge will pass. Tom A.

11-12-2004, 10:58 PM	#3
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Roadkill, If you get a cowboy pistol get a cowboy calibre. 45 colt (not acp) is my favorite. The Aldo Uberti cartridge models can be had pretty cheap. I used to have a Colt in 44 special but they are too pricey to keep. The Vaqueros are nice but my choice in a cowboy pistol would be a 1900 Luger or a broomhandle:-)

11-13-2004, 11:28 AM	#7
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Not that I needed any prompting. Thanks. I'll get the .45 long colt. I think I can reload that with .45 acp dies. Nice guns Ed. That sure was a good movie. Do not forsake me oh my darlin' On this our wedding day Do not forsake me oh my darlin' Wait, wait along I do not know what fate awaits me I only know I must be brave And I must face a man who hates me Or lie a coward, a craven coward Or lie a coward in my grave Oh to be torn 'twixt love and duty 'Sposin' I lose my fair haired beauty Look at that big hand move along Nearin' high noon He made a vow while in State's prison Vowed it would be my life or his I'm not afraid of death but, oh What will I do if you leave me Do not forsake me oh my darlin' You made that promise as a bride Do not forsake me oh my darlin' Although you're grievin' Don't think of leavin' Now that I need you by my side Wait along, wait along rk

11-13-2004, 12:18 PM	#8
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I have a pair of Hartford Colt clones, with Lee cowboy action jobs, coming in for resale, in fact I got about 13 guns mostly NIB, S&W, Ruger ect, all revolvers, coming in for resale, anyway the guns are 99% and each have a $150 action job, and the prices will be real reasonable, if you can wait....to be sold as a pair only...

11-13-2004, 01:14 PM	#9
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Thanks for the offer,let us know when they come available. rk

11-14-2004, 12:40 AM	#11
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	RK, Yes the AWA guns are really nice. I forgot about them, but I have handled them. You probably can't get away with .45 ACP dies, but give it a try. I found Lee dies with the free shellholder (you'll need at least that) work great. I do use 230 grain round nose lead bullets for my SAA with 7.5 grains of Unique powder--very accurate in my gun. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

11-14-2004, 01:50 AM	#12
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	J. C. Kitchens, I like looking for that stuff too. Thanks. The antennas beat the jet trails.

11-14-2004, 03:52 PM	#13
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Another gun to look at are the ones from USF. They are true clones.They are a little pricy,but not near as high as the Colts. __________________ Dave

11-14-2004, 06:56 PM	#14
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	RK, Why not stick with a German quality SAA clone. I have an exc original blued 6" .44 Sauer with wood grips available @$225 + S&H. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

11-14-2004, 11:03 PM	#15
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Great article in current Gun List about the rise of the Colt clones back when I was a pup....I recall Hy Hunter fondly. Tom A.

11-15-2004, 06:51 PM	#16
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	If you do happen to get the Ruger Blackhawk, they are available with two cylinders, one for 45 ACP, the other for 45 Colt. I have one with both cylinders. In the Ruger you can load the 45 Colt to level II at higher than standard pressures. (This creates a litle problem for me. I have two revolvers that will take level II loads and four that call for standard level I loads. For now I am running only level I loads until I figure out a fool proof system to avoid getting them mixed.)

11-15-2004, 08:19 PM	#17
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Unspellable, I use lead bullets in standard loads and 1/2 Jacketed hollow points or 1/2 jacketed soft points in hot loads. It is not foolproof but it does help to remind me what the heck is in the box. Black powder loads are also a real kick for cowboy guns. 6 rounds is about like a smoke screen:-) 12 rounds and the gun needs cleaning :-(

11-15-2004, 10:05 PM	#18
PaulP User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Roadkill, One thing about the Vaquero you may or may not be aware of, although it is a great pistol for the money, is that the internal design of the lockwork is different than that of the Colt. Because of this, when you ** it, it doesn't sound or feel the same as far as the number of "clicks". I have modified mine with a Power Custom Single Action Hammer and Trigger and now it has the half- notch which gives the extra click, but while it is better it still isn't the same (just my opinion only). The added half-** notch also allows the cylinder chambers to better align with the loading gate. You may want to check this out when you look at one (it is possible that Ruger may have changed their design but I don't think so) and also compare it to some of the SAA clones. I also replaced the alloy Ejector Rod Housing with a Power Custom steel housing and rod. The Power Custom set-up more closely replicates the Colt's looks and action. Of course, unless you shoot both like I do, some of this may not be that important to you. As to caliber, I would also recommend .45 Long Colt (LC). You probably can use .45 ACP dies for the LC but may have to watch out as to sizing of the mouth. Since the ACP headspaces on the mouth of the cartridge case, some manufacturer's dies may not allow a tight enough crimp. I do believe you will need a need shell holder as the LC is a rimmed case. Not to preach, but do remember to only load five chambers. The SAA is really a lot of fun to shoot, I.m sure you will really enjoy having one. Paul