Reproduction Holsters

Morris Gardner · 06-26-2003, 05:50 PM

I'm considering the purchase of two holsters for a couple of my postwar guns...one with a six inch barrel and the other for a four inch gun. There are a number of suppliers advertising inexpensive holsters in Gun List, Shotgun News, etc. Does anyone have any experience re: the quality of this stuff? I would like to locate something approaching the quality of some of my prewar holsters if it's out there.

comments and/or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Morris Gardner

Edward Tinker · 06-26-2003, 06:03 PM

I have bought two, then got rid of them. The six inch was one of the CMR ones, got it from Tom Heller, quality good, was happy with it, traded it and the gun for a Weimar police. The four inch was very tight, not as good as quality, it was one of those you buy off of e-bay and wasn't very happy with it. Sold it at a slight loss.

I would be tempted to get a ratty 4 inch old one to take to the range, or one of the new ones is fine for your purposes.

Ed

Thor · 06-26-2003, 06:44 PM

I liked all the ones I bought from CMR. Here is a police version in russet brown.

<a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/rework/dwm/1915DWMTA/TAFrontright.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/rework/dwm/1915DWMTA/TAFrontright.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

ken d · 06-26-2003, 06:53 PM

Thor:
When you have one of your beauties in the picture who is going to look at a holster?

Regards Ken D

Thor · 06-26-2003, 08:36 PM

OR........you could have Jerry Burney MAKE you a custom hardshell in any color you want! Quality is as good or better than the Germans did! Here is MY Baby Luger Holster (buckskin color) that he made for me! AWESOME! (Thanks Ken!!!)

<a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/DGBaby1.JPG" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/DGBaby1.JPG" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

Thor, I "thumbed" your pics, so they can be large or small depending on the user! Ed

ED!! I love the smaller pics! THANKS MUCHO!! Thoro

trigger643 · 06-26-2003, 11:36 PM

I just had Jerry make a custom rig for my C96. His craftsmanship is absolutely flawless. I've purchased a few things in the past from CMR. I got exactly what I paid for and the prices are reflective of their quality. Not bad, not top notch. But for my money, I'll be spending it at Jerry's when it comes to gun leather.

Morris Gardner · 06-27-2003, 02:57 PM

Thanks, guys...

You have been very helpful!!

lugerholsterrepair · 06-27-2003, 10:21 PM

Herb, Thor, Thanks for the kind words about my work. I do appreciate it very much.

Morris, I have expounded greatly in the past about the lack of quality of many of the reproductions in past postings. Do a search and I am sure you will get some to come up. I am too busy with holster repairs to do it again.

I will say one thing, I do not compete with the general run of the mill repro Luger holster makers. I stick to either what they do not make, such as baby Luger holsters or what they make that high end collectors will not tolerate. The Imperial type 1 or 2 6" Navy holster is one of my favorites. The repro's have their place and they are certainly inexpensive enough.

I always recommend that you find an original to suit your purposes if you can afford it. They hold their value and are likely to be worth more than what you paid years later. Besides, they are lovely and a piece of history you can be proud of, the German saddlers who made them knew what they were about. Jerry Burney

Morris Gardner · 06-28-2003, 10:02 PM

Thanks, Jerry...

I'll drop you an email.

Pete Ebbink · 07-08-2003, 12:02 AM

Hello Morris,

Here is the link to CMR's USA web site :

http://www.btinternet.com/~cmr.international/catalogue/USDiskInternetCatalogue/Index.h tm

p.s. Do not give up on finding a real WWI or WWII holster at a bargin price. If you switch to the Member's Gallery, you will see a very nice 1941 Military holster I was lucky enough to find a month ago in a doll & antiques shop for only $ 68.00. The sellers had actually marked this holster as a "repro"...

There are finds to be had...one just needs to pound the pavement, as the saying goes...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

colcolombo · 08-02-2003, 02:22 AM

To anybody that knows the answer:

I recently bought an S/42 Luger and the sale included the holster, disassembly tool, and a long cleaning rod with a wooden handle.

I am curious about the origin of this holster. It appears brand new, is black with a silver buckle and strap with three holes. The workmanship is excellent. I don't see how it could be better. It smells of new leather. On the rear between the belt loops it is stamped with an eagle with swastika and under this is stamped WaA727 in an "arc". Below this it is stamped Joa and under that 1943. To the right of the loops is stamped PO8 in 3/4" high letters. It has the "quick removal" (my words) strap also.

I have no idea where it came from but I have seen a holster advertised for $39.97 in Cheaper Than Dirt catalog. It says holster was reproduced on the "original factory equipment". They also have a holster for the P-38 for the same price. Mine looks authentic but it looks and smells new. Any ideas from anyone?

If you wanna see the holster, go to CheaperThanDirt.com Catalog number is LEG-105 if the site has a "Search" feature. The P-38 is LEG-104.

Sorry can't show a picture but I haven't gotten the hang of posting pictures just yet. I might add that the belt loops are perpendicular to the top edge and most original holsters I have seen, the loops are tilted to the left of perpendicular.

Thanks for any information on this holster.

Joe

lugerholsterrepair · 08-02-2003, 02:54 AM

colcolombo, What a load of horse hocky! Made on original equiptment! What, a sewing machine? These people make me laugh...There is no original equipment and more than that there are many details that make the difference as to quality fit and finish. Next they will have resurrected an old World Sadler and claim he is back making them again...

I have found none of the repro makers of P-08 holsters come near the quality of original holsters for many reasons. This does not necessarily make them bad since the price could hardly hurt you all that much. I have said it before and probably will many more times though, you would be much better off with the worst original than a new, made in Pakistan repro. They are hard on a pistol when inserted as they are stiff and unbending, rubbing the blue off at an alarming rate. Generally they do not fit, too small. They have no history and have bogus markings on them. The stitching is cotton or nylon, not linen.

So I won't get torched I will say they would be OK if you found one that would actually fit for taking to the range or re-inactment purposes. It would be a shame to roll around in the dirt with an original German Luger holster.

Unfortunately I have not discovered a Company that makes a holster worth a hoot. Thor seem to like the Police he got so I assume it must be Ok as he is very knowledgable about this sort of thing. I think it could be a crap shoot and if I were buying a repro holster I would want to inspect it in person to see if it would satisfy my somewhat finiky tastes. That's just me though....Jerry Burney

colcolombo · 08-02-2003, 03:52 AM

Whhheeeewwwww. Thanks Jerry.........I think! Gonna crawl under a rock till your blood pressure comes down. Woweeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!I just asked a simple question. Didn't know I was going to get tarred and feathered! Guess I'll go throw darts at my Hillary dart board!

lugerholsterrepair · 08-02-2003, 05:17 AM

colcolombo, Sorry...It's not you my Friend. It's these people who try to hock their wares by making idiotic statements like, Made on original equipment! As you might be able to tell I am not such a big fan of repro holsters. It is simply that I have not seen any that come close to the original craftsmanship of turn of the Century German Sadlers. It's really unfortunate because I have seen the CMR holsters that could come pretty close if they paid the least attention to detail. I really think that if they were to redesign just slightly they could truly make a holster worth having. As it is, what they make is a holster that sorta looks like a Luger holster untill you look close. I have expounded on this subject before when people ask, just look up my past posts about it! Sorry I sent you looking for a rock to crawl under, Throw a couple at Hitlery for me will you? Jerry Burney

Stevie · 08-06-2003, 05:31 AM

My wife has purchased me a couple of repro. holsters. the first one has fake 1941 (German) army markings; and is a perfect fit for a P08. The last one has no markings and fits a Parabellum fine, but the extra mag. pocket is too short and sewn on too high, had to force the lid closed, which pushed the extra mag through the bottom stitching some. I don't ask where she gets them. they both look good to me! I've been looking for a police type holster that Thor has shown us; Who is C.M.R.?

Thanx, Stevie.

P.S. I have an old crappy W.W.1 holster, and it's quality is far superior to my repro. holsters. Too bad its worn out and spent.

(Edited-by Admin JS)

Lugerdoc · 08-06-2003, 02:22 PM

C.M.R. is Charles M. Roscoe in Kent, UK. His web site is www.btinternet.com/~cmr.international

colcolombo · 08-27-2003, 05:12 PM

Lugerdoc,

Filling out an application for the CIA would be less trouble than trying to access the CMR site!
After five minutes of frustration, I finally gave up.

Guess I'll never know what they have to offer.

Joe

colcolombo · 08-27-2003, 05:23 PM

Morris Gardner,

With all respect to Jerry Burney and other forum members I have to tell you that there ARE some aftermarket holsters out there that are very well made.
I got one with a Luger I bought and the fit is perfect and the quality is outstanding. I don't know who made it and it is obviously a copy with all the "appropriate" stampings but I don't see how a holster could be made any better or with any more quality. Although it's a fake, it is a very beautiful, black holster. If I had the hang of posting a photo I would post it. I'm still studying this photo posting thing.

Best regards,

Joe

P.S Jerry: I put your name on a dart and scored a bullseye on my "Hitlary" dart board.

lugerholsterrepair · 08-27-2003, 08:42 PM

Joe, I think there would be a good market for well made repro holsters. Emahasis on "well made". There are always collectors willing to accept aftermarket(post 1945) items and I cannot blame them for doing so. I honestly do not compete with this market. There is no way I could. It takes me days if not weeks to make a Luger holster exactly as the Germans did at the turn of the Century. I hand stitch and hand hammer and craft until it is just right.The few holsters I have made over the years were crafted from the heart, not for the money. Believe me when I say I am not getting rich pushing a needle 10n hours a day. There is a small select few in the World willing to pay what I ask for these museum pieces and that is as it should be.They are descriminating collectors who appreciate a virtually lost art and are willing to pay today's prices for it. I frankly could not supply more than I do already in my one man shop. Mostly what I do is repair not build from scratch. The few holsters I have made have been what the repro market does not address or do well such as Baby Luger holsters and Imperial Navy's. So there is room for all who want different things. Life is good...Jerry Burney

06-26-2003, 05:50 PM	#1
Morris Gardner User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Reproduction Holsters I'm considering the purchase of two holsters for a couple of my postwar guns...one with a six inch barrel and the other for a four inch gun. There are a number of suppliers advertising inexpensive holsters in Gun List, Shotgun News, etc. Does anyone have any experience re: the quality of this stuff? I would like to locate something approaching the quality of some of my prewar holsters if it's out there. comments and/or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Morris Gardner

06-26-2003, 06:03 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I have bought two, then got rid of them. The six inch was one of the CMR ones, got it from Tom Heller, quality good, was happy with it, traded it and the gun for a Weimar police. The four inch was very tight, not as good as quality, it was one of those you buy off of e-bay and wasn't very happy with it. Sold it at a slight loss. I would be tempted to get a ratty 4 inch old one to take to the range, or one of the new ones is fine for your purposes. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-26-2003, 06:44 PM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I liked all the ones I bought from CMR. Here is a police version in russet brown. <a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/rework/dwm/1915DWMTA/TAFrontright.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/rework/dwm/1915DWMTA/TAFrontright.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email [email protected] ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

06-26-2003, 08:36 PM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	OR........you could have Jerry Burney MAKE you a custom hardshell in any color you want! Quality is as good or better than the Germans did! Here is MY Baby Luger Holster (buckskin color) that he made for me! AWESOME! (Thanks Ken!!!) <a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/DGBaby1.JPG" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/DGBaby1.JPG" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> Thor, I "thumbed" your pics, so they can be large or small depending on the user! Ed ED!! I love the smaller pics! THANKS MUCHO!! Thoro __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email [email protected] ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

06-26-2003, 11:36 PM	#6
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I just had Jerry make a custom rig for my C96. His craftsmanship is absolutely flawless. I've purchased a few things in the past from CMR. I got exactly what I paid for and the prices are reflective of their quality. Not bad, not top notch. But for my money, I'll be spending it at Jerry's when it comes to gun leather. __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

06-26-2003, 06:53 PM	#4
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Thor: When you have one of your beauties in the picture who is going to look at a holster? Regards Ken D

06-27-2003, 02:57 PM	#7
Morris Gardner User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, guys... You have been very helpful!!

06-27-2003, 10:21 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Herb, Thor, Thanks for the kind words about my work. I do appreciate it very much. Morris, I have expounded greatly in the past about the lack of quality of many of the reproductions in past postings. Do a search and I am sure you will get some to come up. I am too busy with holster repairs to do it again. I will say one thing, I do not compete with the general run of the mill repro Luger holster makers. I stick to either what they do not make, such as baby Luger holsters or what they make that high end collectors will not tolerate. The Imperial type 1 or 2 6" Navy holster is one of my favorites. The repro's have their place and they are certainly inexpensive enough. I always recommend that you find an original to suit your purposes if you can afford it. They hold their value and are likely to be worth more than what you paid years later. Besides, they are lovely and a piece of history you can be proud of, the German saddlers who made them knew what they were about. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-28-2003, 10:02 PM	#9
Morris Gardner User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, Jerry... I'll drop you an email.

07-08-2003, 12:02 AM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Morris, Here is the link to CMR's USA web site : http://www.btinternet.com/~cmr.international/catalogue/USDiskInternetCatalogue/Index.h tm p.s. Do not give up on finding a real WWI or WWII holster at a bargin price. If you switch to the Member's Gallery, you will see a very nice 1941 Military holster I was lucky enough to find a month ago in a doll & antiques shop for only $ 68.00. The sellers had actually marked this holster as a "repro"... There are finds to be had...one just needs to pound the pavement, as the saying goes... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-02-2003, 02:22 AM	#11
colcolombo User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To anybody that knows the answer: I recently bought an S/42 Luger and the sale included the holster, disassembly tool, and a long cleaning rod with a wooden handle. I am curious about the origin of this holster. It appears brand new, is black with a silver buckle and strap with three holes. The workmanship is excellent. I don't see how it could be better. It smells of new leather. On the rear between the belt loops it is stamped with an eagle with swastika and under this is stamped WaA727 in an "arc". Below this it is stamped Joa and under that 1943. To the right of the loops is stamped PO8 in 3/4" high letters. It has the "quick removal" (my words) strap also. I have no idea where it came from but I have seen a holster advertised for $39.97 in Cheaper Than Dirt catalog. It says holster was reproduced on the "original factory equipment". They also have a holster for the P-38 for the same price. Mine looks authentic but it looks and smells new. Any ideas from anyone? If you wanna see the holster, go to CheaperThanDirt.com Catalog number is LEG-105 if the site has a "Search" feature. The P-38 is LEG-104. Sorry can't show a picture but I haven't gotten the hang of posting pictures just yet. I might add that the belt loops are perpendicular to the top edge and most original holsters I have seen, the loops are tilted to the left of perpendicular. Thanks for any information on this holster. Joe

08-02-2003, 02:54 AM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	colcolombo, What a load of horse hocky! Made on original equiptment! What, a sewing machine? These people make me laugh...There is no original equipment and more than that there are many details that make the difference as to quality fit and finish. Next they will have resurrected an old World Sadler and claim he is back making them again... I have found none of the repro makers of P-08 holsters come near the quality of original holsters for many reasons. This does not necessarily make them bad since the price could hardly hurt you all that much. I have said it before and probably will many more times though, you would be much better off with the worst original than a new, made in Pakistan repro. They are hard on a pistol when inserted as they are stiff and unbending, rubbing the blue off at an alarming rate. Generally they do not fit, too small. They have no history and have bogus markings on them. The stitching is cotton or nylon, not linen. So I won't get torched I will say they would be OK if you found one that would actually fit for taking to the range or re-inactment purposes. It would be a shame to roll around in the dirt with an original German Luger holster. Unfortunately I have not discovered a Company that makes a holster worth a hoot. Thor seem to like the Police he got so I assume it must be Ok as he is very knowledgable about this sort of thing. I think it could be a crap shoot and if I were buying a repro holster I would want to inspect it in person to see if it would satisfy my somewhat finiky tastes. That's just me though....Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-02-2003, 03:52 AM	#13
colcolombo User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Whhheeeewwwww. Thanks Jerry.........I think! Gonna crawl under a rock till your blood pressure comes down. Woweeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!I just asked a simple question. Didn't know I was going to get tarred and feathered! Guess I'll go throw darts at my Hillary dart board!

08-02-2003, 05:17 AM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	colcolombo, Sorry...It's not you my Friend. It's these people who try to hock their wares by making idiotic statements like, Made on original equipment! As you might be able to tell I am not such a big fan of repro holsters. It is simply that I have not seen any that come close to the original craftsmanship of turn of the Century German Sadlers. It's really unfortunate because I have seen the CMR holsters that could come pretty close if they paid the least attention to detail. I really think that if they were to redesign just slightly they could truly make a holster worth having. As it is, what they make is a holster that sorta looks like a Luger holster untill you look close. I have expounded on this subject before when people ask, just look up my past posts about it! Sorry I sent you looking for a rock to crawl under, Throw a couple at Hitlery for me will you? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-06-2003, 05:31 AM	#15
Stevie User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ok. Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My wife has purchased me a couple of repro. holsters. the first one has fake 1941 (German) army markings; and is a perfect fit for a P08. The last one has no markings and fits a Parabellum fine, but the extra mag. pocket is too short and sewn on too high, had to force the lid closed, which pushed the extra mag through the bottom stitching some. I don't ask where she gets them. they both look good to me! I've been looking for a police type holster that Thor has shown us; Who is C.M.R.? Thanx, Stevie. P.S. I have an old crappy W.W.1 holster, and it's quality is far superior to my repro. holsters. Too bad its worn out and spent. (Edited-by Admin JS)

08-06-2003, 02:22 PM	#16
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	C.M.R. is Charles M. Roscoe in Kent, UK. His web site is www.btinternet.com/~cmr.international __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

08-27-2003, 05:12 PM	#17
colcolombo User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lugerdoc, Filling out an application for the CIA would be less trouble than trying to access the CMR site! After five minutes of frustration, I finally gave up. Guess I'll never know what they have to offer. Joe

08-27-2003, 05:23 PM	#18
colcolombo User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Morris Gardner, With all respect to Jerry Burney and other forum members I have to tell you that there ARE some aftermarket holsters out there that are very well made. I got one with a Luger I bought and the fit is perfect and the quality is outstanding. I don't know who made it and it is obviously a copy with all the "appropriate" stampings but I don't see how a holster could be made any better or with any more quality. Although it's a fake, it is a very beautiful, black holster. If I had the hang of posting a photo I would post it. I'm still studying this photo posting thing. Best regards, Joe P.S Jerry: I put your name on a dart and scored a bullseye on my "Hitlary" dart board.

08-27-2003, 08:42 PM	#19
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Joe, I think there would be a good market for well made repro holsters. Emahasis on "well made". There are always collectors willing to accept aftermarket(post 1945) items and I cannot blame them for doing so. I honestly do not compete with this market. There is no way I could. It takes me days if not weeks to make a Luger holster exactly as the Germans did at the turn of the Century. I hand stitch and hand hammer and craft until it is just right.The few holsters I have made over the years were crafted from the heart, not for the money. Believe me when I say I am not getting rich pushing a needle 10n hours a day. There is a small select few in the World willing to pay what I ask for these museum pieces and that is as it should be.They are descriminating collectors who appreciate a virtually lost art and are willing to pay today's prices for it. I frankly could not supply more than I do already in my one man shop. Mostly what I do is repair not build from scratch. The few holsters I have made have been what the repro market does not address or do well such as Baby Luger holsters and Imperial Navy's. So there is room for all who want different things. Life is good...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."