Navy Repro Holster...

Pete Ebbink · 11-01-2004, 06:31 PM

...went on e-Bay for $ 510.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2280123501

I was silly enough to jump in for up to $ 95...figured it was a nicely done piece...

Does anyone here think this is not a repro ?

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Navy · 11-01-2004, 09:48 PM

Pete,

It is unusual for a faker to do a Type II; I would love to see and smell it. When it arrives, would you send it? I can tell you in 10 nanoseconds if it is legit.

Tom A.

Pete Ebbink · 11-04-2004, 12:43 PM

Hi Tom,

I was not the "winner"...as I stopped at $ 95.

To get the smell, you will need to get one of those new USB-interfaced scratch & sniff devices for your PC...

...kidding of course.

The stitching on this piece looked awfully white...I have not seen many brown type II's, but I recall their stitching to be reddish stained (not via shoe polish...) or dark brown thread...

p.s. If this one is truly an "un-issued" WWI holster (I am sceptical...), maybe from being in storage it would not pick up the tobacco smoke smells and diesel boat grease smells...that you mentioned in Chattanooga.

Here are the e-Bay photos :

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Fritzer · 11-04-2004, 01:23 PM

They had in the description:
"a beautiful postwar reproduction".

Maybe the description was updated later??
or did everybody miss that and think it was original?

Pete Ebbink · 11-04-2004, 01:43 PM

Hi Fritz,

I am pretty sure that text was there when the ad was placed. That is why I jumped in for $ 95...figured it was a decent, well made repro...that would look great with one of my 6" shooters.

I cannot fathom why some of the bidders went into the stratosphere with pricing...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Navy · 11-04-2004, 02:01 PM

That one will re-surface sometime in the not too distant future, artificially aged a bit and alleged to have been found in a Vet's estate.

Tom A.

PAOLO · 11-04-2004, 04:57 PM

Pete
There is also a beautiful thing more:the holster is marked"HERM FLOHR COLN 1916".There is not a town with the "Coln" name in Germany(the right writing is Koln)!
But the seller told from the beginning it's a repro!

Pete Ebbink · 11-06-2004, 02:04 PM

Here is another repro (type II) offered on the www.egun.de web site :

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=268009

Pete Ebbink · 11-09-2004, 09:53 PM

And another...

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...130307740&rd=1

Navy · 11-09-2004, 10:14 PM

Think it is *only fair* to note that the German (And most of western european) collectors do NOT have the insistence on 100% originality that we Americans do.

It has been my observation in the 1970's. 1980's and 1990's, (When I was there) that the vast majority of European collectors were looking for ANYTHING that would fill a hole in a collection.

Only an observation.

Tom A.

George Anderson · 11-10-2004, 09:25 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PAOLO:
Pete
There is also a beautiful thing more:the holster is marked"HERM FLOHR COLN 1916".There is not a town with the "Coln" name in Germany(the right writing is Koln)!
But the seller told from the beginning it's a repro!<hr /></blockquote>Through 1918 ,at least, "Coln" was correct. I think that it was changed to "Koln" during the thirties. The Nazis "germanified" the language a bit during their time.

11-01-2004, 06:31 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Navy Repro Holster... ...went on e-Bay for $ 510.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2280123501 I was silly enough to jump in for up to $ 95...figured it was a nicely done piece... Does anyone here think this is not a repro ? Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-04-2004, 04:57 PM	#7
PAOLO User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cremona, Italy Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete There is also a beautiful thing more:the holster is marked"HERM FLOHR COLN 1916".There is not a town with the "Coln" name in Germany(the right writing is Koln)! But the seller told from the beginning it's a repro! __________________ PAOLO

11-10-2004, 09:25 AM	#11
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by PAOLO: <strong>Pete There is also a beautiful thing more:the holster is marked"HERM FLOHR COLN 1916".There is not a town with the "Coln" name in Germany(the right writing is Koln)! But the seller told from the beginning it's a repro!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Through 1918 ,at least, "Coln" was correct. I think that it was changed to "Koln" during the thirties. The Nazis "germanified" the language a bit during their time.

11-01-2004, 09:48 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Pete, It is unusual for a faker to do a Type II; I would love to see and smell it. When it arrives, would you send it? I can tell you in 10 nanoseconds if it is legit. Tom A.

11-04-2004, 12:43 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Tom, I was not the "winner"...as I stopped at $ 95. To get the smell, you will need to get one of those new USB-interfaced scratch & sniff devices for your PC... ...kidding of course. The stitching on this piece looked awfully white...I have not seen many brown type II's, but I recall their stitching to be reddish stained (not via shoe polish...) or dark brown thread... p.s. If this one is truly an "un-issued" WWI holster (I am sceptical...), maybe from being in storage it would not pick up the tobacco smoke smells and diesel boat grease smells...that you mentioned in Chattanooga. Here are the e-Bay photos : Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-04-2004, 01:23 PM	#4
Fritzer User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	They had in the description: "a beautiful postwar reproduction". Maybe the description was updated later?? or did everybody miss that and think it was original?

11-04-2004, 01:43 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Fritz, I am pretty sure that text was there when the ad was placed. That is why I jumped in for $ 95...figured it was a decent, well made repro...that would look great with one of my 6" shooters. I cannot fathom why some of the bidders went into the stratosphere with pricing... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-04-2004, 02:01 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	That one will re-surface sometime in the not too distant future, artificially aged a bit and alleged to have been found in a Vet's estate. Tom A.

11-06-2004, 02:04 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here is another repro (type II) offered on the www.egun.de web site : http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=268009

11-09-2004, 09:53 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	And another... http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...130307740&rd=1

11-09-2004, 10:14 PM	#10
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Think it is only fair to note that the German (And most of western european) collectors do NOT have the insistence on 100% originality that we Americans do. It has been my observation in the 1970's. 1980's and 1990's, (When I was there) that the vast majority of European collectors were looking for ANYTHING that would fill a hole in a collection. Only an observation. Tom A.