Is S&B 30 Tokeroff ammo to hot for the .30 mauser pistol?

one gunner · 10-12-2002, 10:41 PM

I recently purchased some S&B Tokeroff ammo to shoot out of a Broomhandle and two of the rounds blew their primers and swelled the cases up so bad that they would not even fit in my shell holder to be reloaded. About 100 other recovered cases showed no signs of excesss pressure. I am wondering if the bad rounds had too much powder or suffered bullet set back. The bad rounds in question had their primers blown completely out of the cases.

I have since quit using any Tokeroff ammo in my Broomhandle. I was thinking about buying some more of the S& B ammo because it is so cheap and then pulling the bullets and reducing the powder charge by about 1/2 a grain. But I am not sure that the original problem was caused by too much powder.

My reloads with lead bullets work just fine consisting of 4.4 grains of bullseye powder behind Lyman 85 grain cast bullet. But I need more empty brass and it is just as cheap to buy loaded ammo to get more cases than to buy new empty cases and reload them with lead bullets. This pertains only to the first firing because once you have purchased the brass it is cheaper to reload them than buy new jacketed ammo.

Steve Richards · 10-13-2002, 07:51 PM

All the written information that I have come across says that the Tokarev ammo is too hot for a Mauser. A couple of people have posted on this forum that they destroyed their Mausers by using it. I have not shot any myself so I do not know from first hand experience and do not intend to get any either. I gave up on finding Mauser ammo locally and reload my own from Starline brass. Search for previous posts on loading and such. There is also a website www.north-westdenture.com that has an extensive loading chart. Good luck and be safe!

I have also heard of bad expeiences with surplus Mauser ammo from eastern Europe but again have no first hand knowledge or experience with it.

Tom Heller usually has ammo if you do not reload. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Edward Tinker · 10-13-2002, 10:44 PM

I have shot my mauser broomhandle with mauser ammo and it kicked okay, yesterday I shot a tokkie from a CZ and it kicked, so I know beyond a doubt that Tokarev is a hot round.

10-12-2002, 10:41 PM	#1
one gunner User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is S&B 30 Tokeroff ammo to hot for the .30 mauser pistol? I recently purchased some S&B Tokeroff ammo to shoot out of a Broomhandle and two of the rounds blew their primers and swelled the cases up so bad that they would not even fit in my shell holder to be reloaded. About 100 other recovered cases showed no signs of excesss pressure. I am wondering if the bad rounds had too much powder or suffered bullet set back. The bad rounds in question had their primers blown completely out of the cases. I have since quit using any Tokeroff ammo in my Broomhandle. I was thinking about buying some more of the S& B ammo because it is so cheap and then pulling the bullets and reducing the powder charge by about 1/2 a grain. But I am not sure that the original problem was caused by too much powder. My reloads with lead bullets work just fine consisting of 4.4 grains of bullseye powder behind Lyman 85 grain cast bullet. But I need more empty brass and it is just as cheap to buy loaded ammo to get more cases than to buy new empty cases and reload them with lead bullets. This pertains only to the first firing because once you have purchased the brass it is cheaper to reload them than buy new jacketed ammo.

10-13-2002, 10:44 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I have shot my mauser broomhandle with mauser ammo and it kicked okay, yesterday I shot a tokkie from a CZ and it kicked, so I know beyond a doubt that Tokarev is a hot round. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-13-2002, 07:51 PM	#2
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	All the written information that I have come across says that the Tokarev ammo is too hot for a Mauser. A couple of people have posted on this forum that they destroyed their Mausers by using it. I have not shot any myself so I do not know from first hand experience and do not intend to get any either. I gave up on finding Mauser ammo locally and reload my own from Starline brass. Search for previous posts on loading and such. There is also a website www.north-westdenture.com that has an extensive loading chart. Good luck and be safe! I have also heard of bad expeiences with surplus Mauser ammo from eastern Europe but again have no first hand knowledge or experience with it. Tom Heller usually has ammo if you do not reload. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />