luger

[coltstudd]

anyone have any opinions on the mauser cartridge counter,have a chance to get one?

[alanint]

Are you referring to the 1970s conmemorative pistol?

[coltstudd]

yes

[Maestro]

I believe it might be a 1980's production of 250 only!

The top of the barrel is marked "9mm Parabellum" followed by an eagle over "N" proof which is repeated on the left side of the barrel extension. The left side frame rail is also marked with the same proof mark followed by "IC" and the Ulm Antler proof. The left side of the receiver is marked with "Mod. 1902/Cartridge Counter" in raised gold lettering. The serial number followed by a star burst and the two-line Interarms address are marked on the right side of the receiver. The toggle is marked with "DWM" script lettering in gold and "Made in Germany" is stamped on the back of the frame. The grips are checkered walnut with the numbers 1 through 7 in black lettering on a white background running along the front cut out edge of the left panel to allow visual confirmation of the number of rounds in the magazine. Complete with red velvet lined leather locking hard case containing a cleaning rod with an oiler in the handle, takedown tool, two keys, small metal plaque, test target, manual written in German and extra magazine.

[Maestro]

here's an excellent response:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Darius,
These Mauser commemorative Lugers are a specific collector’s niche. They are like the Colts, Winchesters and Smith & Wesson commemoratives that are still in production. They appeal to some individuals but do not represent any changes in firearm evolution. They are “dolled up” to be attractive and create a collecting category. They do not appreciate substantially in value. Some variations do have more interest and increase in value, but for the most part the cost stays pretty flat.

I think the commemorative Lugers have some potential for increasing value since they are well made and were not made in huge numbers. However, I do not think that in the long run they will enjoy the status of original Lugers. The Cartridge Counter is one of the more desirable variations as they are readily identifiable with perhaps one of the most desirable icons of early Luger development. The 80s example looks like a Cartridge Counter but the resemblance is largely cosmetic. The barrel configuration is unique to this model and therefore it stands out from other variations. The toggle knobs are just standard knobs that have been “dished” by machining away a portion of the rear of the knob and do not have the toggle lock on the right side. Also, the breech block is of the modern type and not the early breech block with a one piece extractor like an original. The magazine and grips do not function exactly as the original version did but they look very similar and are attractive.

I do not follow the market on these commemorative Lugers so I am a poor judge of value. From what I have seen, these nicely cased examples do fetch higher sales price, probably topping out around the $4000 mark (the cased Navy perhaps a little higher). But the market is really variable and like everything else the prices go up and down depending on the general state of the economy.

The piece on RIA is very nice and may be a good investment at the low end of the estimated value range, but I would not be purchasing it expecting a quick turnaround for profit. It would make a nice show piece for a collection but the value will increase slower than original Lugers. Just my opinion and I could be way off. Hope this helps.
Ron

[Maestro]

btw here's one at Simpson Ltd for $4250

[Maestro]

here's another for $7K

[Zorba]

Its a pretty gun, but why does it say both Mauser and DWM on it?

[Maestro]

not sure if there's any patent laws in effect for Mauser to break!!

here's the real deal pictured below

[alanint]

I see "DWM" on the Navy reissue, but don't see any image showing it on the Cartridge Counter.

[mauro]

Dear All,
With Gerben we spent long time in the Mauser Archive (covering the period from 1967-2000) and we have good friends between the engineers and gunsmiths that started the Parabellum production and in particular the Commemorative production.
We meet on regular basis in Oberndorf with Prof. Dr. Gminder, which was the initiator of this new production, and with the fellows from Mauser.
In our book, “The Parabellum is back! 1945 – 2000” you can find the most complete research so far available in this area.

I don’t want to do any advertising to the book but I do believe that if a collector wants to start collecting the Mauser Parabellum pistols, he needs to find a good reference that explains every variation and give figures of the complete production.

The reintroduction of the Parabellum was an engineering challenge and the knowledge of the effort implemented in the production helps in better evaluate the value f these accurate pistols.

I hope this helps…

Cheers,

Mauro

[SteveM]

Originally Posted by mauro

I don’t want to do any advertising to the book but I do believe that if a collector wants to start collecting the Mauser Parabellum pistols, he needs to find a good reference that explains every variation and give figures of the complete production.

Anyone interested in these pistols should get the book. Lots of info on the Luger post 1945.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by SteveM

Anyone interested in these pistols should get the book. Lots of info on the Luger post 1945.

Nice read here as well

http://www.lugerlp08.com/ego.htm

[mauro]

Thanks Friends

In the first picture I am with Joop van de Kant while in the second with Paul Regnier and I have in my hands his Borchardt Luger N° 6... it was quite a long time ago...

Cheers,

Mauro

[Lugerdoc]

The location of the first photo, reminds me of "Uncle Ralph's" house. TH

[ithacaartist]

Shattuck Lugers

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Shattuck Lugers

i feel like a drop in the ocean