Erfurt 1917, 6" Barrel, holster pics as requested

Keylargo · 12-08-2005, 03:34 PM

Hi,
I have been offered a 1917 Erfurt Luger with 6" barrel, The serial number is prefixed by a lower case m.
I am told Erfurt did not manufacture a 6" barrel Luger.
Any help?

Edward Tinker · 12-08-2005, 04:00 PM

Rod, Welcome to the forum!

Can you show us full pictures of each side so we can look at the barrel. I am sure this is either a weimar modification or a later commerical sales.

We would need to see any markings on it, plus is it marked "germany" anywhere?

Artillery's were cut down, but then usually to 4 inches, unless damaged.

6 inch barrels were put on by commerical firms to sell them here in the states.

Ed

Ron Wood · 12-08-2005, 04:07 PM

Interesting gun. You were told correctly...Erfurt did not produce a 6" barrel Luger. The barrel on this gun probably is not numbered, but if it is it is a "force match" to the gun. Is the serial number on the front of the frame the same as shown on the receiver?
The gun is a rework, and curiously there is what appears to be a Vickers inspection stamp on the left frame rail. It could also be an Erfurt stamp but it looks a bit small for that.

Keylargo · 12-08-2005, 04:49 PM

Seem to have got the pictures sorted!

Keylargo · 12-08-2005, 04:50 PM

top

Keylargo · 12-08-2005, 04:50 PM

sorry, this ones in focus

Keylargo · 12-08-2005, 04:52 PM

underneath

Keylargo · 12-08-2005, 04:53 PM

holster

Keylargo · 12-08-2005, 04:54 PM

right side

Pete Ebbink · 12-08-2005, 05:32 PM

Can you post a front photo of the holster...?

Dwight Gruber · 12-08-2005, 05:33 PM

Definitely an Erfurt rebarrelled with a 6-inch barrel. It would be useful to know if there are any markings at all on the underside of the barrel.

If this is truly a Navy-style barrel (and it from the photo it looks like it probably is) you will find that when you shoot it it will shoot very low. The Navy Luger barrel has a higher sight block, to account for the raised, adjustable rear sight.

I don't think there is any cause for alarm concerning the small frame-rail mark..

--Dwight

Keylargo · 12-08-2005, 06:10 PM

under barrel

Keylargo · 12-08-2005, 06:10 PM

under barrel 2

Keylargo · 12-08-2005, 06:19 PM

Only other holster pic I have

Lugerdoc · 12-09-2005, 11:44 AM

Costanzo (page 255) reports some "m" prefix lugers as 1935 Mauser tool room training pistols. This is the first one that I've heard off with an Eurfort toggle assy and more than a 2 digit numeric serial. It's difficult to see from your photos, but it appears that a long frame/receiver M1906 Navy barrel may have been installed on this short threaded receiver using a spacer ring. I have also seen this procedure used on a few 6" barrelled Weimar commericals. TH

Keylargo · 12-10-2005, 06:43 PM

Holster top

Keylargo · 12-10-2005, 06:44 PM

rear holster view

Keylargo · 12-10-2005, 06:48 PM

Close-up of barrel and witness mark, as requested

Keylargo · 12-10-2005, 07:49 PM

Just learned how to crop the photos, sorry

Ron Smith · 12-10-2005, 08:43 PM

Hello Rod,

This is a very interesting pistol with a matching Navy holster. Also odd that the suffix is set as a prefix on the receiver.

Ron

12-08-2005, 03:34 PM	#1
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Erfurt 1917 with 6" Barrel Hi, I have been offered a 1917 Erfurt Luger with 6" barrel, The serial number is prefixed by a lower case m. I am told Erfurt did not manufacture a 6" barrel Luger. Any help? Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2005, 04:00 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Rod, Welcome to the forum! Can you show us full pictures of each side so we can look at the barrel. I am sure this is either a weimar modification or a later commerical sales. We would need to see any markings on it, plus is it marked "germany" anywhere? Artillery's were cut down, but then usually to 4 inches, unless damaged. 6 inch barrels were put on by commerical firms to sell them here in the states. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-08-2005, 04:07 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Interesting gun. You were told correctly...Erfurt did not produce a 6" barrel Luger. The barrel on this gun probably is not numbered, but if it is it is a "force match" to the gun. Is the serial number on the front of the frame the same as shown on the receiver? The gun is a rework, and curiously there is what appears to be a Vickers inspection stamp on the left frame rail. It could also be an Erfurt stamp but it looks a bit small for that. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-08-2005, 04:49 PM	#4
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Seem to have got the pictures sorted! Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2005, 04:50 PM	#5
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	top Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2005, 04:50 PM	#6
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	sorry, this ones in focus Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2005, 04:52 PM	#7
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	underneath Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2005, 04:53 PM	#8
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	holster Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2005, 04:54 PM	#9
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	right side Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2005, 05:32 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Can you post a front photo of the holster...?

12-08-2005, 05:33 PM	#11
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Definitely an Erfurt rebarrelled with a 6-inch barrel. It would be useful to know if there are any markings at all on the underside of the barrel. If this is truly a Navy-style barrel (and it from the photo it looks like it probably is) you will find that when you shoot it it will shoot very low. The Navy Luger barrel has a higher sight block, to account for the raised, adjustable rear sight. I don't think there is any cause for alarm concerning the small frame-rail mark.. --Dwight

12-08-2005, 06:10 PM	#12
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	under barrel Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2005, 06:10 PM	#13
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	under barrel 2 Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2005, 06:19 PM	#14
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Only other holster pic I have Attached Thumbnails

12-09-2005, 11:44 AM	#15
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Costanzo (page 255) reports some "m" prefix lugers as 1935 Mauser tool room training pistols. This is the first one that I've heard off with an Eurfort toggle assy and more than a 2 digit numeric serial. It's difficult to see from your photos, but it appears that a long frame/receiver M1906 Navy barrel may have been installed on this short threaded receiver using a spacer ring. I have also seen this procedure used on a few 6" barrelled Weimar commericals. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

12-10-2005, 06:43 PM	#16
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Erfurt 1917, 6" Barrel, holster pics as requested Holster top Attached Thumbnails

12-10-2005, 06:44 PM	#17
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	rear holster view Attached Thumbnails

12-10-2005, 06:48 PM	#18
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Close-up of barrel and witness mark, as requested Attached Thumbnails

12-10-2005, 07:49 PM	#19
Keylargo User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just learned how to crop the photos, sorry

12-10-2005, 08:43 PM	#20
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hello Rod, This is a very interesting pistol with a matching Navy holster. Also odd that the suffix is set as a prefix on the receiver. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...