POLL - M1900 DWM-Swiss Lugers

Pete Ebbink · 04-29-2007, 05:31 PM

POLL - M1900 DWM-Swiss Lugers

Please join us in helping provide some info. about your M1900 DWM-Swiss Luger.

I am helping Members Mike and Armin to establish if a variety in the numbering of the TD levers and the trigger side plate exist and came from the factory.

Most commercial contract Lugers will have the 2-digits of the TD lever and the trigger side plate placed on the bottom edge with the tops of these numbers pointing away from the side of the pistol (...I call this rightside-up).

Mike, Armin, and others theorize that some of these M1900 DWM-Swiss Lugers left the factory with un-numbered TD levers and the 2 digits on the trigger side plate upside-down...that is with the tops of their numbers pointing towards the side of the pistol.

If you own a M1900 DWM-Swiss Luger, please take a moment and fill out the Poll.

Please remember to indicate if you think your Luger is in a factory-original condition or a Swiss Ordnance rework or other rework.

P.S. I left out the E-series and the 5xxx-A series...due to a 20 entry limit when setting up the Poll. Since those are unique and some are reworked, I figured it was best to leave them out.

Thanks in advance for your help !!!

Ron Wood · 04-29-2007, 08:02 PM

3-digit serial number, unrelieved frame, take-down numbered on right-side round, side plate digits right side up.

Pete Ebbink · 05-02-2007, 01:32 PM

Here is another M1900 Swiss Ordnance Luger # 1365...for sale on Andrew Zink's web site.

It appears factory finish and has an un-numbered TD lever and the 2-digits on the trigger side plate are rightside-up :

Armin · 05-02-2007, 03:38 PM

Hi Pete,
the TD lever's number could be on the other side.
Regards Armin.

Armin · 05-02-2007, 05:04 PM

Hi Pete,
it's me again. I had a look on the cited web site. I am not really convinced that this Luger Mod.1900 is factory original. At least the extractor seems to be a Bern replacement (with an interesting colour). Unfortunately the rear sight cannot be seen. I guess it is U-shaped.
The TD lever has the normal configuration. The direction of the number on the sideplate is speculation, at least for my eyes.
Regards, Armin.

Pete Ebbink · 05-02-2007, 06:08 PM

Here is the link to Andrew's web site if others want to look at the photos.

This M1900 is offered for sale in the "Vintage Pistols" section :

http://www.augustus.ch/

Pete Ebbink · 05-02-2007, 06:30 PM

Here are a couple of photos of my # 555 M1900 Swiss Ordnance Luger.

TD lever not numbered and side plate numbers are right-side up :

Ron Wood · 05-02-2007, 08:06 PM

After Armin posted "the TD lever's number could be on the other side" I dope-slapped myself and edited my post on the 3-digit 1900 to reflect the TD # on the right-side round. That is one of the more bone head moments I have had (had lots of others but not quite that bad).

Pete Ebbink · 05-02-2007, 11:59 PM

Me too...what Ron said...other side of TD lever shaft numbered.

Armin · 05-03-2007, 02:57 PM

Yes Pete, your Mod.1900 looks great. A pleasure for the eyes.
Armin

View Poll Results: M1900 Swiss Luger Numbering On Your TD Lever and Your Trigger Side Plate
Serials 01-010 (made 1900) - Both TD lever & side plate have 2-digts, tops of numbers pointing away from Luger side.	1	9.09%
Serials 01-010 (made 1900) - No number on TD lever & side plate numbers are upside-down.	1	9.09%
Serials 1-2000 (made 1901 - 1902) - Both TD lever & side plate have 2-digts, tops of numbers pointing away from Luger side.	4	36.36%
Serials 1-2000 (made 1901 - 1902) - No number on TD lever & side plate numbers are upside-down.	1	9.09%
Serials 2001-2500 (made 1903) - Both TD lever & side plate have 2-digts, tops of numbers pointing away from Luger side.	1	9.09%
Serials 2001-2500 (made 1903) - No number on TD lever & side plate numbers are upside-down.	1	9.09%
Serials 2501-3555 (made 1904) - Both TD lever & side plate have 2-digts, tops of numbers pointing away from Luger side.	1	9.09%
Serials 2501-3555 (made 1904) - No number on TD lever & side plate numbers are upside-down.	1	9.09%
Serials 3556-4268( made 1905) - Both TD lever & side plate have 2-digts, tops of numbers pointing away from Luger side.	1	9.09%
Serials 3556-4268 (made 1905) - No number on TD lever & side plate numbers are upside-down.	1	9.09%
Serials 4269-5000 (made 1906) - Both TD lever & side plate have 2-digts, tops of numbers pointing away from Luger side.	1	9.09%
Serials 4269-5000 (made 1906) - No number on TD lever & side plate numbers are upside-down.	1	9.09%
All M1900 Swiss Commerical Lugers (with BUG Proofs) -- Both TD lever & side plate have 2-digts, tops of numbers pointing away from Luger side.	1	9.09%
All M1900 Swiss Commerical Lugers (with BUG Proofs) - No number on TD lever & side plate numbers are upside-down.	0	0%
My Luger is a factory-original finish.	2	18.18%
My Luger is an Ordnance arsenal rework or other rework.	3	27.27%
My Luger has another numbering format on the TD lever & side plate (Please indicate in the discussion section, below).	1	9.09%
I chose not to participate or I do not own a Swiss Luger but want to see the Poll results.	6	54.55%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

04-29-2007, 05:31 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	POLL - M1900 DWM-Swiss Lugers POLL - M1900 DWM-Swiss Lugers Please join us in helping provide some info. about your M1900 DWM-Swiss Luger. I am helping Members Mike and Armin to establish if a variety in the numbering of the TD levers and the trigger side plate exist and came from the factory. Most commercial contract Lugers will have the 2-digits of the TD lever and the trigger side plate placed on the bottom edge with the tops of these numbers pointing away from the side of the pistol (...I call this rightside-up). Mike, Armin, and others theorize that some of these M1900 DWM-Swiss Lugers left the factory with un-numbered TD levers and the 2 digits on the trigger side plate upside-down...that is with the tops of their numbers pointing towards the side of the pistol. If you own a M1900 DWM-Swiss Luger, please take a moment and fill out the Poll. Please remember to indicate if you think your Luger is in a factory-original condition or a Swiss Ordnance rework or other rework. P.S. I left out the E-series and the 5xxx-A series...due to a 20 entry limit when setting up the Poll. Since those are unique and some are reworked, I figured it was best to leave them out. Thanks in advance for your help !!!

04-29-2007, 08:02 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	3-digit serial number, unrelieved frame, take-down numbered on right-side round, side plate digits right side up. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-02-2007, 08:06 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	After Armin posted "the TD lever's number could be on the other side" I dope-slapped myself and edited my post on the 3-digit 1900 to reflect the TD # on the right-side round. That is one of the more bone head moments I have had (had lots of others but not quite that bad). __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-02-2007, 01:32 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here is another M1900 Swiss Ordnance Luger # 1365...for sale on Andrew Zink's web site. It appears factory finish and has an un-numbered TD lever and the 2-digits on the trigger side plate are rightside-up :

05-02-2007, 03:38 PM	#4
Armin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Hi Pete, the TD lever's number could be on the other side. Regards Armin.

05-02-2007, 05:04 PM	#5
Armin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Hi Pete, it's me again. I had a look on the cited web site. I am not really convinced that this Luger Mod.1900 is factory original. At least the extractor seems to be a Bern replacement (with an interesting colour). Unfortunately the rear sight cannot be seen. I guess it is U-shaped. The TD lever has the normal configuration. The direction of the number on the sideplate is speculation, at least for my eyes. Regards, Armin.

05-02-2007, 06:08 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here is the link to Andrew's web site if others want to look at the photos. This M1900 is offered for sale in the "Vintage Pistols" section : http://www.augustus.ch/

05-02-2007, 06:30 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here are a couple of photos of my # 555 M1900 Swiss Ordnance Luger. TD lever not numbered and side plate numbers are right-side up :

05-02-2007, 11:59 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Me too...what Ron said...other side of TD lever shaft numbered.

05-03-2007, 02:57 PM	#10
Armin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Yes Pete, your Mod.1900 looks great. A pleasure for the eyes. Armin