Duo 25 APC ammo

Curly1 · 07-12-2007, 10:57 PM

Just picked one of these up about a month ago and havent' bought any ammo yet.

Does anyone here have any experience with them as far as what brands of ammo worked best for them or what bad ammo experiences they had.

Thanx.

davidkachel · 07-13-2007, 12:24 PM

Are you talking an F. Dusek Duo?
I picked one up at the last Salt Lake City gun show.
Any brand of hardball 25 auto will do. These are well made and reliable guns.
However, watch out about absent mindedly forcing the slide home (chambering a round) with the safety on. I didn't break mine, but almost.
Hollow points are silly for a 25. There's not enough velocity or energy to expand and they jam a lot in guns not designed for them. Also, hardball penetration is minimal as it is; if a hollowpoint actually did expand you'd get about a half inch of penetration... little more than a nasty rash, and an even nastier assailant.
I got my duo for $150. How'd you do?

Curly1 · 07-13-2007, 07:06 PM

Thanx Dave, yup I got the same thing won it on auction $200 shipped. Can't find too much info on them and parts seem non existant but I knew that before I bid on it.

http://www.auctionarms.com/Closed/Di...mNum=8011147.0

Didn't really want another caliber but the fires were lit when I first saw it.

davidkachel · 07-15-2007, 01:26 PM

These are very well made little pop guns. As good as the Colts and Brownings. I have a weakness for small pocket automatics if they're well made and unusual. I have a little French one that is DAO and has worm holes (!) in the plastic grips. It is also proof that Beretta did not think of the popup barrel. The French did.

Curly1 · 07-15-2007, 04:14 PM

I will be on the look out for another in the furture also, what year was yours Dave?

tenbears · 07-15-2007, 11:37 PM

Years ago a friend of mine shot himself with a 25acp. The bullet went clean through his head. So the little 25 can be more nasty than most people think. I have a 32acp PP and did a little penatration test on 4x4 blocks of pine. A ninety gr hollow point only went maybe three inches. A 100 gr ball round split the block in half and kept going. The range for this test was point blank.

Edward Tinker · 07-15-2007, 11:45 PM

I always laugh when folks say, oh its a pipsqueek cartrdige (whether 22lr, .25 or 32). I always say, you are so right, here, stand in front of me 10 paces and we'll see if a deck of cards actually stops the bullet

davidkachel · 07-16-2007, 12:55 PM

Curly, mine is a 1943.

davidkachel · 07-16-2007, 01:03 PM

Ed,
I agree. Too many haughty gun "experts" dismiss these cartridges out of hand. In a fight I'd rather have a .45, but a well-placed shot with a .32 has certainly stopped a fight more than just a few times.
I think back to how destructive the .36s and .44s were in round ball form in the Civil War. Because they were round balls, they didn't weigh much and didn't have much muzzle energy. They were nonetheless very effective. If somebody starts throwing .25s at me, I'm gonna be too busy ducking to waste time laughing.

Rod WMG · 07-16-2007, 05:32 PM

Didn't European police use as a standard cartridge the .32 ACP for years? Maybe some still do.

My usual carry gun these days is a .32 ACP, not because I don't want something bigger, but because it's what I can hide best with what I wear here in the desert. I'd rather have a little gun/cartridge than none at all.

davidkachel · 07-17-2007, 01:11 PM

Rod,
You are right. While here in the US the favored small auto cartridge was the .380, the vast majority of Europeans preferred the .32.
I understand that some pistols bought by the Germans during WWII were originally designed for the .380 but the Germans requested them in .32 instead. (More knowledgeable members may confirm or deny this.)
The .32 is in my opinion, like the .25 auto, in the sense that, it is more potentially effective in hardball configuration than hollowpoint (and possibly the .380 also).
I have seen a .32 auto go through a closet wall, a vacuum cleaner and lodge itself in the opposite closet wall. So it is absolutely not something to be sneered at. One of these days I'll tell you guys the story about the aforementioned bullet's twin, referred to simply as "the bullet". The story is 40 years long and I am now in possession of "the bullet".

07-12-2007, 10:57 PM	#1
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,242 Thanks: 117 Thanked 714 Times in 371 Posts	Duo 25 APC ammo Just picked one of these up about a month ago and havent' bought any ammo yet. Does anyone here have any experience with them as far as what brands of ammo worked best for them or what bad ammo experiences they had. Thanx. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

07-13-2007, 12:24 PM	#2
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Are you talking an F. Dusek Duo? I picked one up at the last Salt Lake City gun show. Any brand of hardball 25 auto will do. These are well made and reliable guns. However, watch out about absent mindedly forcing the slide home (chambering a round) with the safety on. I didn't break mine, but almost. Hollow points are silly for a 25. There's not enough velocity or energy to expand and they jam a lot in guns not designed for them. Also, hardball penetration is minimal as it is; if a hollowpoint actually did expand you'd get about a half inch of penetration... little more than a nasty rash, and an even nastier assailant. I got my duo for $150. How'd you do? __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

07-13-2007, 07:06 PM	#3
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,242 Thanks: 117 Thanked 714 Times in 371 Posts	Thanx Dave, yup I got the same thing won it on auction $200 shipped. Can't find too much info on them and parts seem non existant but I knew that before I bid on it. http://www.auctionarms.com/Closed/Di...mNum=8011147.0 Didn't really want another caliber but the fires were lit when I first saw it. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

07-15-2007, 01:26 PM	#4
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	These are very well made little pop guns. As good as the Colts and Brownings. I have a weakness for small pocket automatics if they're well made and unusual. I have a little French one that is DAO and has worm holes (!) in the plastic grips. It is also proof that Beretta did not think of the popup barrel. The French did. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

07-15-2007, 04:14 PM	#5
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,242 Thanks: 117 Thanked 714 Times in 371 Posts	I will be on the look out for another in the furture also, what year was yours Dave? __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

07-15-2007, 11:37 PM	#6
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	Years ago a friend of mine shot himself with a 25acp. The bullet went clean through his head. So the little 25 can be more nasty than most people think. I have a 32acp PP and did a little penatration test on 4x4 blocks of pine. A ninety gr hollow point only went maybe three inches. A 100 gr ball round split the block in half and kept going. The range for this test was point blank.

07-15-2007, 11:45 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I always laugh when folks say, oh its a pipsqueek cartrdige (whether 22lr, .25 or 32). I always say, you are so right, here, stand in front of me 10 paces and we'll see if a deck of cards actually stops the bullet __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-16-2007, 12:55 PM	#8
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Curly, mine is a 1943. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

07-16-2007, 01:03 PM	#9
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Ed, I agree. Too many haughty gun "experts" dismiss these cartridges out of hand. In a fight I'd rather have a .45, but a well-placed shot with a .32 has certainly stopped a fight more than just a few times. I think back to how destructive the .36s and .44s were in round ball form in the Civil War. Because they were round balls, they didn't weigh much and didn't have much muzzle energy. They were nonetheless very effective. If somebody starts throwing .25s at me, I'm gonna be too busy ducking to waste time laughing. __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

07-16-2007, 05:32 PM	#10
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Didn't European police use as a standard cartridge the .32 ACP for years? Maybe some still do. My usual carry gun these days is a .32 ACP, not because I don't want something bigger, but because it's what I can hide best with what I wear here in the desert. I'd rather have a little gun/cartridge than none at all.

07-17-2007, 01:11 PM	#11
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Rod, You are right. While here in the US the favored small auto cartridge was the .380, the vast majority of Europeans preferred the .32. I understand that some pistols bought by the Germans during WWII were originally designed for the .380 but the Germans requested them in .32 instead. (More knowledgeable members may confirm or deny this.) The .32 is in my opinion, like the .25 auto, in the sense that, it is more potentially effective in hardball configuration than hollowpoint (and possibly the .380 also). I have seen a .32 auto go through a closet wall, a vacuum cleaner and lodge itself in the opposite closet wall. So it is absolutely not something to be sneered at. One of these days I'll tell you guys the story about the aforementioned bullet's twin, referred to simply as "the bullet". The story is 40 years long and I am now in possession of "the bullet". __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.