Please help me confirm this Luger Artillery identification

aristarchus · 03-11-2010, 02:02 AM

Hi, I'm new here

Complete picture set: http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.php?albumid=245

This Luger has been in the family since WWI - was brought back in 1918 or 1919. Gun has been stored since then in a dry attic and then in heated storage. Did I make the right identification?

Hypothesis: this is a DWM Model 14 Military, dated 1917

Serial number is 262 e, all parts have matching 62 marking, except magazine which is not numbered (or number wore off)

It is an Artillery Model, 8 inch barrel with adjustable sights

No stock
No holster
No imperial unit markings

State is 60% or less due to pitting and rust.

1. Toggle Inscription: DWM 62

2. Chamber Inscription: Top: 1917; Side: 262

3. Toggle Knob Type: Squared and Knurled

4. Grip Safety (“Present” or “Not Present”): not sure

5. Stock Lug : Present

6. Caliber: 9 mm

7. Grip Type : Wood, checkered, no border, no insigna

8. Thumb Safety (“Safe” in forward or rear position, Describe Markings): 62

9. Describe any and all marking as completely as possible, including their locations on the firearm. Use
Numbered Markings from Parabellum website if possible

Manufacturer: DWM

4 proof marks: 15. German military receiver proof. Found on DWM Lugers 1914-1918.

Serial number at bottom of barrel:

262
E (letter E in small cursive – could also be L)
888

Serial number on frame: 262

10. Barrel Length (Measure from Forward End of Extractor to Muzzle): 8 inches

11. Markings on Left Edge of Extractor: 62

12. Description of Front and Rear Sights: Front: ?

Rear: elevating rear sight, marked 62 on all parts, marked R 83 around screw of the base

13. Magazine Bottom Plug Material and Markings; Wood, no markings, no ring

1. Model Variation (Determined Above)

2. Percentage of remaining bluing (i.e. 80%, 95%, etc.)

Low % - pitting and rust on barrel and frame

3. Percentage of remaining straw colored finish on parts such as trigger, disassembly latch, etc.)

Little

4. Condition of Bore: ?
5. Condition of Grips: Dry wood, some wear, some vedigris

6. All matching serial numbers. Most small parts will carry last two digits of serial number: Yes

7. Correct matching magazine(s) with matching serial numbers: No SN on magazine

8. Any accessories such as holster, stock, loading/takedown tool, capture papers, etc.: No holster, no stock, one tool

Norme · 03-11-2010, 09:23 AM

Hi, and welcome to the forum. You are correct. You have a 1917 DWM LP08 Artillery model Luger. These are much desired by collectors. It's too bad about the finish, you should take steps to arrest any further deterioration. Regards, Norm

aristarchus · 03-14-2010, 01:46 AM

Thank you Norm. Is there a sticky on Luger care? I'm familiar with cleaning new handguns (SIG in particular), but not as much antiques.

Also - by "much desired", would you say Blue Book is on target or too ?

Regards,

Norme · 03-14-2010, 08:59 AM

Hi, I think a first step would be a thorough cleaning and wipe down with a good quality gun oil to prevent further rusting. There is a sticky on this forum on field stripping a Luger. Be sure to follow the instructions on grip removal as it's easy to damage them. When your done, post more photos and we can go from there. Good luck, Norm

03-11-2010, 02:02 AM	#1
aristarchus New User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Please help me confirm this Luger Artillery identification Hi, I'm new here Complete picture set: http://forum.lugerforum.com/album.php?albumid=245 This Luger has been in the family since WWI - was brought back in 1918 or 1919. Gun has been stored since then in a dry attic and then in heated storage. Did I make the right identification? Hypothesis: this is a DWM Model 14 Military, dated 1917 Serial number is 262 e, all parts have matching 62 marking, except magazine which is not numbered (or number wore off) It is an Artillery Model, 8 inch barrel with adjustable sights No stock No holster No imperial unit markings State is 60% or less due to pitting and rust. 1. Toggle Inscription: DWM 62 2. Chamber Inscription: Top: 1917; Side: 262 3. Toggle Knob Type: Squared and Knurled 4. Grip Safety (“Present” or “Not Present”): not sure 5. Stock Lug : Present 6. Caliber: 9 mm 7. Grip Type : Wood, checkered, no border, no insigna 8. Thumb Safety (“Safe” in forward or rear position, Describe Markings): 62 9. Describe any and all marking as completely as possible, including their locations on the firearm. Use Numbered Markings from Parabellum website if possible Manufacturer: DWM 4 proof marks: 15. German military receiver proof. Found on DWM Lugers 1914-1918. Serial number at bottom of barrel: 262 E (letter E in small cursive – could also be L) 888 Serial number on frame: 262 10. Barrel Length (Measure from Forward End of Extractor to Muzzle): 8 inches 11. Markings on Left Edge of Extractor: 62 12. Description of Front and Rear Sights: Front: ? Rear: elevating rear sight, marked 62 on all parts, marked R 83 around screw of the base 13. Magazine Bottom Plug Material and Markings; Wood, no markings, no ring 1. Model Variation (Determined Above) 2. Percentage of remaining bluing (i.e. 80%, 95%, etc.) Low % - pitting and rust on barrel and frame 3. Percentage of remaining straw colored finish on parts such as trigger, disassembly latch, etc.) Little 4. Condition of Bore: ? 5. Condition of Grips: Dry wood, some wear, some vedigris 6. All matching serial numbers. Most small parts will carry last two digits of serial number: Yes 7. Correct matching magazine(s) with matching serial numbers: No SN on magazine 8. Any accessories such as holster, stock, loading/takedown tool, capture papers, etc.: No holster, no stock, one tool

03-11-2010, 09:23 AM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi, and welcome to the forum. You are correct. You have a 1917 DWM LP08 Artillery model Luger. These are much desired by collectors. It's too bad about the finish, you should take steps to arrest any further deterioration. Regards, Norm

03-14-2010, 01:46 AM	#3
aristarchus New User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Norm. Is there a sticky on Luger care? I'm familiar with cleaning new handguns (SIG in particular), but not as much antiques. Also - by "much desired", would you say Blue Book is on target or too ? Regards,

03-14-2010, 08:59 AM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi, I think a first step would be a thorough cleaning and wipe down with a good quality gun oil to prevent further rusting. There is a sticky on this forum on field stripping a Luger. Be sure to follow the instructions on grip removal as it's easy to damage them. When your done, post more photos and we can go from there. Good luck, Norm