Anyone Experience 38/45 Sabots???

sheepherder · 08-24-2011, 10:11 AM

Back in the 80's one of my buddies [now deceased] had a LAR "Grizzly" [pic below] in 45 Win Mag caliber (Jim loved magnums). (It was a 45 Gov't model frame elongated to hold/chamber the 45 Win Mag cartridge). He was experimenting with 38/45 saboted loads in the 45 Win Mag cases. I don't recall if he ever got them sorted out or not. They were white Nylon sabots with four slits. He had a big bag of them and on at least one night, I helped him reload a couple hundred.

I was working on my 38/45 Clerke in a standard M1911A1 auto at the time, and never got around to the saboted cartridges. Now I'm thinking of trying a 38/45 sabot in my Colt Gov't model, just for S&G...

Anyone know of a source for just the Nylon sabots??? I can't seem to find anything except black powder sabots, and not in 38/45...

pors12 · 08-25-2011, 09:14 AM

Hello,

The easy way would be to start the CNC-machine tool
and build some.
If you want I can help you in this case.

Would be interesting how that works, and how precise it is.

regards

Otto

sheepherder · 08-25-2011, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pors12

The easy way would be to start the CNC-machine tool
and build some.

I got your pics, Otto...When I win the Lottery, that'll be my first purchase...

Edward Tinker · 08-25-2011, 10:13 AM

For awhile one of the major companies, Winchester? Was making sabot's for rifles, but I don't know if they made them for 45, not a lot of elephant hunters who want a sabot, but there might have been. Most I remember were deer rifle rounds sized down to .22

Ed

Ron Smith · 08-25-2011, 10:25 AM

http://www.mmpsabots.com/

Scroll down to the chart.

No difference between Black Powder Sabots or Smokeless Powder Sabots, either will work.

sheepherder · 08-25-2011, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick W.

Ah.......memories of the 357 GWM. Almost forgotten.

Necked down 45 Win Mag??? Another bottleneck wildcat???

Jim was one of the guys I did the 357/44 mag conversion for. Jim had a 6" bbl S&W "N" frame that I converted. 44 Mag cases run through a 357 Auto-Mag die. Clymer ground the reamer, my Bridgeport did the cylinder reaming. I had to make up an indexing jig, but it turned out really well. I still have my 357/44 S&W nickle 8 3/8" bbl revolver...

I lost interest in magnums after firing the 454 Casull and the 44 Auto-Mag. Every joint in that arm hurt.

alanint · 08-25-2011, 08:30 PM

I may be mistaken, but I think saboted rounds for most centerfire applications were deep sixed by the anti-armor piercing legislature of some years back. That's why you don't see them offered anymore.

Lugerdoc · 09-02-2011, 11:57 AM

P, I haven't used sabots, but as an alternative, I can offer an exc bore 38/45 Gov't model barrel @$75 if you want to build up same wildcat rounds. TH

sheepherder · 09-02-2011, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

P, I haven't used sabots, but as an alternative, I can offer an exc bore 38/45 Gov't model barrel @$75 if you want to build up same wildcat rounds. TH

Hi Tom! Believe it or not, I make my own 38/45 Clerke barrels...I bought the reamer from Clymer some years [decades!] ago, and I also bought the RCBS dies when they were reasonably priced...I did a couple for some acquaintances over the years; still have mine...I play with it every couple years...

08-24-2011, 10:11 AM	#1
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Anyone Experience 38/45 Sabots??? Back in the 80's one of my buddies [now deceased] had a LAR "Grizzly" [pic below] in 45 Win Mag caliber (Jim loved magnums). (It was a 45 Gov't model frame elongated to hold/chamber the 45 Win Mag cartridge). He was experimenting with 38/45 saboted loads in the 45 Win Mag cases. I don't recall if he ever got them sorted out or not. They were white Nylon sabots with four slits. He had a big bag of them and on at least one night, I helped him reload a couple hundred. I was working on my 38/45 Clerke in a standard M1911A1 auto at the time, and never got around to the saboted cartridges. Now I'm thinking of trying a 38/45 sabot in my Colt Gov't model, just for S&G... Anyone know of a source for just the Nylon sabots??? I can't seem to find anything except black powder sabots, and not in 38/45... Attached Thumbnails Attached Images __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

08-25-2011, 09:14 AM	#2
pors12 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Austria Posts: 115 Thanks: 24 Thanked 59 Times in 21 Posts	Hello Hello, The easy way would be to start the CNC-machine tool and build some. If you want I can help you in this case. Would be interesting how that works, and how precise it is. regards Otto

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Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	http://www.mmpsabots.com/ Scroll down to the chart. No difference between Black Powder Sabots or Smokeless Powder Sabots, either will work. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	P, I haven't used sabots, but as an alternative, I can offer an exc bore 38/45 Gov't model barrel @$75 if you want to build up same wildcat rounds. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

08-25-2011, 10:13 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	For awhile one of the major companies, Winchester? Was making sabot's for rifles, but I don't know if they made them for 45, not a lot of elephant hunters who want a sabot, but there might have been. Most I remember were deer rifle rounds sized down to .22 Ed

08-25-2011, 08:30 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I may be mistaken, but I think saboted rounds for most centerfire applications were deep sixed by the anti-armor piercing legislature of some years back. That's why you don't see them offered anymore.