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Mike B · 05-07-2012, 02:37 PM

Hello to all,
I would like to share with the forum members one of my new acquisitions. According to Joop & Don in their new book on page 482 & 483, there were only 200 of this variation produced. As pointed out in other threads, the barrel is salt blued and the frame is rust blued. Your comments are welcomed.

Mike

alanint · 05-07-2012, 03:00 PM

Outstanding Gun!!

alvin · 05-07-2012, 08:02 PM

Super nice!

Weaver's book "Mauser Pistolen" said about 80% of these pistols were C/C/U proofed, and 20% E/N proofed. Is this a C/C/U proofed one?

Mike B · 05-07-2012, 08:20 PM

Sorry,
Limited to 10 photos. I have a picture of the proof on the reciever as well as the front sight base. Both proofs are C/C/U proof. Thanks for your interest.

Mike

sheepherder · 05-12-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike B

Sorry,
Limited to 10 photos...

Mike, you can start an album and add pics...More than 10...Or you can add pics to a second post in this thread...For a total of more than 10...

Nice looking Mauser...

I can't afford the book...Why the two different blueing methods on barrel & rest of the gun???

Ben M. · 05-08-2012, 12:59 AM

in the recess at the thumb safety lever, there seems to be lots of peening.

did Mauser use frames that were previously marked with gesichert and peened that marking away and them apply the bare-metal marking the swiss liked to use ?

alanint · 05-08-2012, 06:59 AM

That's not peening. Those are machining marks from the router bit that has always been used to machine away metal in this area. A "Gesichert" has never been aplied to this area. It would be obvious to the owner if one had ever been present.

pitsword · 05-08-2012, 07:47 AM

Beautiful pistol Mike. Thanks again for the S 42, it cleaned up nicely and is a sweet shooter. Vince

sheepherder · 05-08-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Those are machining marks from the router bit that has always been used to machine away metal in this area...

...

...A router bit??? I would think the meticulous Germans would have used a corner radius end mill to cut this recess...

alanint · 05-08-2012, 08:16 AM

Non machinist talk for the proper metal cutting tool used...

sheepherder · 05-08-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Non machinist talk for the proper metal cutting tool used...

My bad, Doug...I thought you had mechanical background - must have been another member...

But it is Swiss...maybe those cost conscious chocolate makers did use router bits...

Douglas Jr. · 05-08-2012, 09:28 AM

Mike,

That's a great find for sure.
Congratulations for showing us this rare bird.

Douglas

John Sabato · 05-08-2012, 04:02 PM

One fine Swiss Mike! Thanks for sharing.

Ben M. · 05-10-2012, 12:49 PM

trigger lever has an unusual marking. anyone know what it means?

alanint · 05-10-2012, 01:43 PM

That's a Swiss proof. I'm totally ignorant of these markings, so I have no idea what the additional "CN" is. We have members on the site who will expand on this.

Sergio Natali · 04-21-2013, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint

That's a Swiss proof. I'm totally ignorant of these markings, so I have no idea what the additional "CN" is. We have members on the site who will expand on this.

As already stated "CN+" surely stands for the alloy composition and is a fairly common mark on Swiss W+F 06/29

However this appears to be a very interesting 1900/06 gun, made with pieces that I assume Mauser inherited from BKIW and maybe somehow sold to the Swiss between 1936/1939. But on this last thing I might be completely wrong, as Waffenfabrik of Bern had already started to produce their own firs Lugers between 1916 and 1917 and those pistols were delivered to the Swiss Army in November 1918.

John Sabato · 05-10-2012, 03:00 PM

I would venture a guess that the CN are the initials of the Swiss Inspector of this part.

Mike B · 05-10-2012, 09:21 PM

I bring tiding of great joy~~~. I sent this Luger to a well respected firearms company. Besides collecting and selling, he also offers an appraisal service. I sent this Luger to him for an appraisal. To my great surprise, it was announced to me that is would be-------well lets just say in five figures. WOW, I had no idea,

Mike

John Sabato · 05-11-2012, 11:18 AM

Mike,

Here is an update information on the unusual stamp on trigger lever... an old friend, Pete Ebbink provided this information via email last night. Pete is also a well known collector of Swiss Lugers, and a former frequent contributor to the Lugerforum.

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Hi John,

Hope you are well.

In regards to the “ CN+ “ marking on the Luger under discussion over on the Luger Forum. A friend alerted me to the discussion and sent me a cut & paste of the question…

It means the alloy used to make the lever in the trigger side plate was made of chromium/nickel alloy and was inspected/accepted by the Swiss.

It is believed the part was made by subcontractors for the Swiss folks at Bern…probably by the firm of SIG.

However, this lever/marking did not really appear until the M1929 Lugers made by the folks at Bern and those were issued from 1933-1947/48.

So for this lever (with its marking) to be seen on a Luger made by Mauser in the 1930-1940’s, one can only conclude the original lever made by Mauser needed to be replaced and the civilian owner of the Mauser-made Luger got a replacement part from the M1929 Bern Luger variation.

Kind Regards,

Pete…

If you are watching... Thanks Pete!

Norme · 05-11-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

Mike,

Here is an update information on the unusual stamp on trigger lever... an old friend, Pete Ebbink provided this information via email last night. Pete is also a well known collector of Swiss Lugers, and a former frequent contributor to the Lugerforum.

If you are watching... Thanks Pete!

Hi John, It's nice to hear from Pete Ebbink again, even if it's only "second hand". He really is the go to guy when it comes to Swiss Lugers. Regards, Norm

05-07-2012, 02:37 PM	#1
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Swiss Mauser Banner Hello to all, I would like to share with the forum members one of my new acquisitions. According to Joop & Don in their new book on page 482 & 483, there were only 200 of this variation produced. As pointed out in other threads, the barrel is salt blued and the frame is rust blued. Your comments are welcomed. Mike Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

05-08-2012, 06:59 AM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	That's not peening. Those are machining marks from the router bit that has always been used to machine away metal in this area. A "Gesichert" has never been aplied to this area. It would be obvious to the owner if one had ever been present. Last edited by alanint; 05-08-2012 at 08:15 AM.

05-08-2012, 04:02 PM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	One fine Swiss Mike! Thanks for sharing. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-10-2012, 03:00 PM	#17
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I would venture a guess that the CN are the initials of the Swiss Inspector of this part. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-07-2012, 03:00 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Outstanding Gun!!

05-07-2012, 08:02 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Super nice! Weaver's book "Mauser Pistolen" said about 80% of these pistols were C/C/U proofed, and 20% E/N proofed. Is this a C/C/U proofed one?

05-07-2012, 08:20 PM	#4
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Sorry, Limited to 10 photos. I have a picture of the proof on the reciever as well as the front sight base. Both proofs are C/C/U proof. Thanks for your interest. Mike

05-08-2012, 12:59 AM	#6
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	in the recess at the thumb safety lever, there seems to be lots of peening. did Mauser use frames that were previously marked with gesichert and peened that marking away and them apply the bare-metal marking the swiss liked to use ?

05-08-2012, 07:47 AM	#8
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 459 Thanks: 3,964 Thanked 103 Times in 83 Posts	Beautiful pistol Mike. Thanks again for the S 42, it cleaned up nicely and is a sweet shooter. Vince

05-08-2012, 08:16 AM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Non machinist talk for the proper metal cutting tool used...

05-08-2012, 09:28 AM	#12
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Mike, That's a great find for sure. Congratulations for showing us this rare bird. Douglas

05-10-2012, 12:49 PM	#14
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	trigger lever has an unusual marking. anyone know what it means?

05-10-2012, 01:43 PM	#15
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	That's a Swiss proof. I'm totally ignorant of these markings, so I have no idea what the additional "CN" is. We have members on the site who will expand on this.

05-10-2012, 09:21 PM	#18
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	I bring tiding of great joy~~~. I sent this Luger to a well respected firearms company. Besides collecting and selling, he also offers an appraisal service. I sent this Luger to him for an appraisal. To my great surprise, it was announced to me that is would be-------well lets just say in five figures. WOW, I had no idea, Mike