1917 Artillery Luger & Rig

Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 09:03 AM

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Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 09:08 AM

This is the rig, the holster is unmarked, it came with its strip down tool and original barrel cleaning rod. It even had a bit of patch stuffed into the slot where the rod goes. The only damage to the holster is the stitching on the loop, other than that its all fine.

Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 09:09 AM

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Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 09:14 AM

There is a ink stamp on the inside of the flap but I cannot make out what it says, probably a unit mark?

Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 09:20 AM

This is the stock, it is matching numbered to the pistol and has a mark on it.

Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 09:24 AM

Thats it for now until the gun arrives back next week. It is all matching apart from the side plate, trigger and locking lever. (and the mag) if he comes across these pieces he will give me a ring and post them onto me. I have sourced the missing bits so have a complete pistol. The whole thing including replacement bits cost me $1300 which in the UK is less than half the retail price. Any info guys would be greatly appreciated

Cheers

Ben

alanint · 10-09-2013, 10:56 AM

The holster is either a Persian, which did not have the same quality of the German holsters or a reproduction.

George Anderson · 10-09-2013, 11:46 AM

The holster is original German WWI in my opinion.

alanint · 10-09-2013, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

The holster is original German WWI in my opinion.

George, I completely respect your observation, but did the stitching really get to be that sloppy on originals? I'm seeing edges that are not dressed, stitching that is uneven and wrinkled leather where the stitching has bunched, etc. If original, this is the most poorly executed WW1 holster I have ever seen.

Norme · 10-09-2013, 12:09 PM

A Persian Artillery holster can be distinguished by the "ears" on the lid of the cleaning rod sheath, which are folded over extensions of the lid. The "ears" on original German holsters are separate sewn on discs.
Regards, Norm

Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 12:17 PM

Cheers for that Norm, do you mean these?

pors12 · 10-09-2013, 02:42 PM

Hi,

I would expect steel buttons on such a holster.
Arent these brass ?

regards

Otto

saab-bob · 10-09-2013, 03:49 PM

Hello Ben
Thanks for the great gun pics and Welcome!
I just had a quick question.How much does it cost to have Ryton Arms deactivate your guns? Does the government pay for this or do you?

To the forum members. Check out the website for Ryton Arms
http://www.rytonarms.co.uk/home.php

They have some really interesting items. Be prepared to shed a tear when you see the beautiful Thompson M1A1's that have been neutered!

Even a innocent 22 target pistol is not exempt from this outrage.

So sad.
Bob

Ben Evans · 10-09-2013, 04:03 PM

Hi Bob and many thanks for ther welcome

It cost £60 to be deactivated and no mate the government does not give you the money back lol I wish. A few years ago if a weapon was found like that it would have been destroyed but they changed the law as people were keeping hold and selling live guns on. If sold to the wrongs hands they could be used to harm people. The Police now would rather a live gun is bought in and deactivated than sold on to a third party, in their eyes its another live weapon off the streets. I used to have a Smith and Wesson 686, Mk 3 browning, 32 and 22 Hammereli and a 22 Des. I had to hand them all in to be destroyed after the Dunlbane macacre (as did everyone else) I claimed back for my powders, Lee turret press. police leather shooting rigs, speed loaders etc.

saab-bob · 10-09-2013, 06:18 PM

Ben
Thanks for the info.
Sounds like you used to enjoy target shooting with pistols.
Enjoy your Lugers. The gents on this forum are very, very knowledgeable and happy to help out with any info.
Cheers Mate

Bob

10-09-2013, 09:03 AM	#1
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	1917 Artillery Luger & Rig Please remove my account Last edited by Ben Evans; 11-19-2013 at 07:07 AM.

10-09-2013, 09:08 AM	#2
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	This is the rig, the holster is unmarked, it came with its strip down tool and original barrel cleaning rod. It even had a bit of patch stuffed into the slot where the rod goes. The only damage to the holster is the stitching on the loop, other than that its all fine. Last edited by Ben Evans; 11-19-2013 at 07:09 AM.

10-09-2013, 09:14 AM	#4
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	There is a ink stamp on the inside of the flap but I cannot make out what it says, probably a unit mark? Last edited by Ben Evans; 11-19-2013 at 07:09 AM.

10-09-2013, 09:20 AM	#5
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	This is the stock, it is matching numbered to the pistol and has a mark on it. Last edited by Ben Evans; 11-19-2013 at 07:08 AM.

10-09-2013, 12:17 PM	#11
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	Cheers for that Norm, do you mean these? Last edited by Ben Evans; 11-19-2013 at 07:08 AM.

10-09-2013, 09:09 AM	#3
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10-09-2013, 09:24 AM	#6
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	Thats it for now until the gun arrives back next week. It is all matching apart from the side plate, trigger and locking lever. (and the mag) if he comes across these pieces he will give me a ring and post them onto me. I have sourced the missing bits so have a complete pistol. The whole thing including replacement bits cost me $1300 which in the UK is less than half the retail price. Any info guys would be greatly appreciated Cheers Ben

10-09-2013, 10:56 AM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The holster is either a Persian, which did not have the same quality of the German holsters or a reproduction.

10-09-2013, 11:46 AM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	The holster is original German WWI in my opinion.

10-09-2013, 12:09 PM	#10
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	A Persian Artillery holster can be distinguished by the "ears" on the lid of the cleaning rod sheath, which are folded over extensions of the lid. The "ears" on original German holsters are separate sewn on discs. Regards, Norm

10-09-2013, 02:42 PM	#12
pors12 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Austria Posts: 115 Thanks: 24 Thanked 59 Times in 21 Posts	Hi, I would expect steel buttons on such a holster. Arent these brass ? regards Otto

10-09-2013, 03:49 PM	#13
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Hello Ben Thanks for the great gun pics and Welcome! I just had a quick question.How much does it cost to have Ryton Arms deactivate your guns? Does the government pay for this or do you? To the forum members. Check out the website for Ryton Arms http://www.rytonarms.co.uk/home.php They have some really interesting items. Be prepared to shed a tear when you see the beautiful Thompson M1A1's that have been neutered! Even a innocent 22 target pistol is not exempt from this outrage. So sad. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

10-09-2013, 04:03 PM	#14
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	Hi Bob and many thanks for ther welcome It cost £60 to be deactivated and no mate the government does not give you the money back lol I wish. A few years ago if a weapon was found like that it would have been destroyed but they changed the law as people were keeping hold and selling live guns on. If sold to the wrongs hands they could be used to harm people. The Police now would rather a live gun is bought in and deactivated than sold on to a third party, in their eyes its another live weapon off the streets. I used to have a Smith and Wesson 686, Mk 3 browning, 32 and 22 Hammereli and a 22 Des. I had to hand them all in to be destroyed after the Dunlbane macacre (as did everyone else) I claimed back for my powders, Lee turret press. police leather shooting rigs, speed loaders etc. Last edited by Ben Evans; 10-09-2013 at 06:26 PM.

10-09-2013, 06:18 PM	#15
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Ben Thanks for the info. Sounds like you used to enjoy target shooting with pistols. Enjoy your Lugers. The gents on this forum are very, very knowledgeable and happy to help out with any info. Cheers Mate Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"