1914 Erfurt Artillery

Maestro · 12-04-2013, 09:01 PM

Is a 1914 Erfurt Artillery worth as much, and as rare as, a 1914 DWM Artillery?

Edward Tinker · 12-04-2013, 09:33 PM

No

Ron Wood · 12-05-2013, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

No

Hah! That was my answer too Ed, but I deleted it because I didn't have the time to look up the numbers. I figured some of the experts would chime in.

lugerholsterrepair · 12-04-2013, 09:36 PM

Darius..A 1914 DWM would start at around $10,000 Perhaps much more..a 1914 Erfurt..is not common but not rare..maybe $3500-4500?

George Anderson · 12-04-2013, 11:21 PM

Estimated production:

1914 DWM LP08s 1125
1914 Erfrurts LP08s 23000

Maestro · 12-05-2013, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Estimated production:

1914 DWM LP08s 1125
1914 Erfrurts LP08s 23000

Wow, big difference

Maestro · 12-05-2013, 01:39 AM

... I wonder if this is a bit misleading or perhaps I misread it

http://www.legacy-collectibles.com/r...artillery.html

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..For the Artillery Luger collector, this gun and the 1914 DWM is the "holy grail" of the hobby. This 1914 Artillery is also UNIT marked, which is also very desirable. It is marked L.M.K. 26. Which I believe is a Light Machine Gun Unit. However, is someone else has better information, just let us know. The gun is all matching including the back and front site, the firing pin, the hold open, the grips and the magazine. All parts also have the proper Erfurt proofs as well. In fairness, the matching magazine has some signs of being renumbered, but the rest of the gun is guaranteed to be all original and correct. I would rate the original finish to be about 95-96% with some mild "browning" or patina especially on the straps and the sideplate. Halos are present in the serial under the barrel. This is the FIRST and only 1914 Erfurt Luger that Legacy has ever offered!...,.

alanint · 12-05-2013, 05:59 AM

How dare they label our passion a "Hobby"!

lugerholsterrepair · 12-05-2013, 09:54 AM

Maybe a little but this is a very decent offering from a respectable dealer who knows a matching pistol. Condition is a little off but anyone looking for a 1914 Erfurt..This might be a consideration. UNIT marked Artillery's ARE rare.

Maestro · 12-05-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Maybe a little but this is a very decent offering from a respectable dealer who knows a matching pistol. Condition is a little off but anyone looking for a 1914 Erfurt..This might be a consideration. UNIT marked Artillery's ARE rare.

Yes you're right Jerry.
I just think it's misleading as being on the same level as the 1914 DWM. Had I not known from Bob Young that the 1914 DWM is the "holy grail", I would have believed the ad, until I was able to get the opinions of advanced collectors. For the novice, that may not know of this forum, this misrepresentation could potentially lead to a quick sale!!! just my 1 1/2 cents

still working on getting up to 2cents!

Edward Tinker · 12-08-2013, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Maestro

..... For the novice, that may not know of this forum, this misrepresentation could potentially lead to a quick sale!!!

Anybody who buys without proper research and knowledge is silly. I had something very witty and smart and lost it

even older books have approx numbers of lugers made (as shown above)

Novices should buy books, research and get good info

I have seen several collections where people bought for investment and usually there are pretty and restored guns there....

Maestro · 12-08-2013, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Anybody who buys without proper research and knowledge is silly. I had something very witty and smart and lost it

even older books have approx numbers of lugers made (as shown above)

Novices should buy books, research and get good info

I have seen several collections where people bought for investment and usually there are pretty and restored guns there....

Yup.

i'm excited to receive your Police Lugers book

DavidJayUden · 12-05-2013, 02:01 PM

How dare they label our passion a "Hobby"!

It's only a hobby when you don't make any money...
dju

Maestro · 12-05-2013, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

How dare they label our passion a "Hobby"!

It's only a hobby when you don't make any money...
dju

so I didn't lie to my wife

Norme · 12-05-2013, 04:32 PM

The 1914 DWM Artillery may be the "Holy Grail" of Artilleries, but it's far from being the Holy Grail of Luger collecting! There are other Luger variations that are far rarer and more desirable, the 1904 Navy, the Cartridge Counter and the .45 Cal, to name just three.
Regards, Norm

Maestro · 12-07-2013, 10:55 PM

.... well did more research, and it appears maybe this would be 2nd to the "Holy Grail" of Artillery Lugers. would this be a fair conclusion?

George Anderson · 12-07-2013, 11:50 PM

No.

Maestro · 12-08-2013, 12:09 AM

Here's some interesting older data

Maestro · 12-08-2013, 12:17 AM

the Blue Book (S.P. F) states: "1914 date is only one seen, 8in barrel" referring to the 1914 Erfurt Artillery.
And with the Imperial Unit Marking, it's even in lower numbers available.

spartacus38 · 12-08-2013, 01:36 AM

1914 was the only year Erfurt made an Artillery.
Still's Imperial Luger states only about 5% were unit marked.
23000 is shown as # produced;I think it was a much lower amount.
It took me 10 years to find a 98% 1914 Erfurt Artillery.
[email protected]
Bob

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Darius..A 1914 DWM would start at around $10,000 Perhaps much more..a 1914 Erfurt..is not common but not rare..maybe $3500-4500? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-05-2013, 09:54 AM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Maybe a little but this is a very decent offering from a respectable dealer who knows a matching pistol. Condition is a little off but anyone looking for a 1914 Erfurt..This might be a consideration. UNIT marked Artillery's ARE rare. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-08-2013, 12:09 AM	#18
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	Here's some interesting older data Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2013, 12:17 AM	#19
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	the Blue Book (S.P. F) states: "1914 date is only one seen, 8in barrel" referring to the 1914 Erfurt Artillery. And with the Imperial Unit Marking, it's even in lower numbers available. Attached Thumbnails

12-04-2013, 09:33 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	No

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Estimated production: 1914 DWM LP08s 1125 1914 Erfrurts LP08s 23000

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	How dare they label our passion a "Hobby"!

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DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	How dare they label our passion a "Hobby"! It's only a hobby when you don't make any money... dju

12-05-2013, 04:32 PM	#15
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	The 1914 DWM Artillery may be the "Holy Grail" of Artilleries, but it's far from being the Holy Grail of Luger collecting! There are other Luger variations that are far rarer and more desirable, the 1904 Navy, the Cartridge Counter and the .45 Cal, to name just three. Regards, Norm

12-07-2013, 10:55 PM	#16
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	.... well did more research, and it appears maybe this would be 2nd to the "Holy Grail" of Artillery Lugers. would this be a fair conclusion?

12-07-2013, 11:50 PM	#17
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	No.

12-08-2013, 01:36 AM	#20
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	1914 was the only year Erfurt made an Artillery. Still's Imperial Luger states only about 5% were unit marked. 23000 is shown as # produced;I think it was a much lower amount. It took me 10 years to find a 98% 1914 Erfurt Artillery. [email protected] Bob