Is there anybody out there ?

JuneGrass 8 · 03-03-2014, 09:19 PM

Is there anybody out there who can steer this Luger collecting newby in the right direction as far as 7.65MM , approx. 90 grn. , round/truncated cast bullets by a reputable manuf. may be found ? I`m even willing to get on a long...... waiting list.
Need help ," Please " Thanks , Don

TheRomanhistorian · 03-03-2014, 10:34 PM

Wish I could help, I just use Fiocchi 7.65mm because I can get it locally at Pinto's in Renton. (Hello to a fellow Washingtonian, by the way). I take it lead bullets are preferred for you?

I know Hornady makes a 90 grain jacketed and hollowpoint but not sure about cast (most of that I found whilst looking was much heavier than 90 grain). I thought Buffalo Arms might have some (checked for you) but no, they didn't.

JuneGrass 8 · 03-03-2014, 10:56 PM

Michael ,
Go figure , almost neighbors . Thanks for looking , and the info on Pintos , have heard of them but have never gone there , that's about to change . As far as preferring cast over jacketed , I was hoping cast would be more available .
Will PM you Thanks , Don

TheRomanhistorian · 03-03-2014, 11:09 PM

Don,

Feel free and always glad to meet fellow locals who are Luger owners! The Pinto's folks are very pleasant to deal with as they're shooters and collectors like we are. They seem to have a fairly regular stockpile of 30 Luger (usually the FMJ) and I know Bullseye in Tacoma has both though a bit pricier. Pinto's also has the odd Webley or Luger passing through (there's a .30 calibre one in right now). It's a 50s rebarrel, they think, with this odd target sight and 5.5" barrel. Please feel free to PM if I can be of any help!

Michael

ithacaartist · 03-03-2014, 11:12 PM

Don, you are correct about theoretical availability, but on the condition that you have a bullet mold and some old tire weights around! I've also found that 93 gr. .30 Luger bullets, even in FMJ, are difficult to procure for reloading. Might be trying out the lightened-up/drilled out 110 gr. FMJ for .30 carbine--There's a thread about it somewhere...

JuneGrass 8 · 03-04-2014, 02:40 AM

David , I`m not ready to fire up my old drill press just yet , although I must admit it`s beginning to look dismal. I have some factory loads , and some Sierra 85 grn RN bullets that I`m assembling as dummies for O.A.L. before I get serious , and shoot this thing . I was , and still am very interested in cast lead , as I have never assembled rounds with cast bullets before , been scared silly over leading . So here I am ready willing and.........very grateful for new found interests , and friends . Thanks , Don

Sieger · 03-04-2014, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JuneGrass 8

David , I`m not ready to fire up my old drill press just yet , although I must admit it`s beginning to look dismal. I have some factory loads , and some Sierra 85 grn RN bullets that I`m assembling as dummies for O.A.L. before I get serious , and shoot this thing . I was , and still am very interested in cast lead , as I have never assembled rounds with cast bullets before , been scared silly over leading . So here I am ready willing and.........very grateful for new found interests , and friends . Thanks , Don

Hi,

To save you some time and aggravation, please read my sticky on how to determine proper O.A.L. with a new bullet type.

The original DWM O.A.L.s for round nose and truncated cone were 1.173 and 1.14 respectively.

For a truncated cone type of bullet, Lee makes a mold for the .32-20, in 90 grain SWC that looks about perfect to me for a 7.65 Luger. Sized to .311 or .312, these should be just the ticket for a Parabellum. The two cavity mold sells at Midway for less than $20.00 and the Lee Mold number for it is 314-90-SWC.

If you don't roll your own, try King Shooters Supply for either their lead .310 or .313 round nose 92.0 grainers, as these should work perfectly in your Parabellum (King Shooters Supply, King of Prussia, PA, Tel. 610-491-9901).

Please know that the 7.65 Luger's groove is at .311, so feel free to shoot .312 to .313 lead through it, as I have for decades. Do make sure your sizer button matches up with the diameter bullet you are trying to seat, or you will have lead shaving when trying to seat them. Lead shaving will totally destroy any chance for accuracy, of course, with just about any lead bullet.

If lead bullets are properly lubed, they will not lead your barrel, so don't think a minute more about it.

If you have any particular questions, feel free to PM me with them.

I hope this helps!!

Sieger

rhuff · 03-04-2014, 04:16 PM

If you are looking for a nice 92gr LRN bullet(and not a loaded cartridge with LRN), then look at Western Bullet Company in Wyoming(I am pretty sure it is Wy). I have loaded a lot of these LRN bullets in 30 Luger brass, and can recommend them highly. They are also nice people to deal with. I know of no factory ammo loaded with 90-92gr Lead bullets.

Sieger · 03-04-2014, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rhuff

If you are looking for a nice 92gr LRN bullet(and not a loaded cartridge with LRN), then look at Western Bullet Company in Wyoming(I am pretty sure it is Wy). I have loaded a lot of these LRN bullets in 30 Luger brass, and can recommend them highly. They are also nice people to deal with. I know of no factory ammo loaded with 90-92gr Lead bullets.

rhuff,

They are using the old 92 grain Lyman #311227 mold.

When loaded to the proper length of 1.173 inches, will the neck of the case cover the top grease groove?

Thanks!!

Sieger

JuneGrass 8 · 03-04-2014, 09:11 PM

Bob , Richard ,
Thanks to both of you for your info on cast bullets , I`m going to attempt to contact both outfits and get on there backorder list , as I`m more than sure I`ll end up , but nothing ventured , nothing gained . I appreciate your help very much .
Thanks , Don

rhuff · 03-05-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieger

rhuff,

They are using the old 92 grain Lyman #311227 mold.

When loaded to the proper length of 1.173 inches, will the neck of the case cover the top grease groove?

Thanks!!

Sieger

Bob,

I am loading this bullet to where the case mouth is just barely above the grease groove, to an OAL of 1.150+/-. Buy seating the bullet thusly, and using a collet type crimp, one can sort of utilize the grease groove as a cannalure to help prevent set back on feeding into a handgun chamber. My 1921 DWM Luger likes this bullet, possibly because of the .310-.311 dia.

singleshotman · 03-04-2014, 10:18 PM

Any idea on the delivery time on items ordered from Western Bullet Co? I paid for a order and did not even get a Email about my purchase. I am starting to wonder if threw my money away. Also the website did not say anything about backorders?

Sieger · 03-04-2014, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by singleshotman

Any idea on the delivery time on items ordered from Western Bullet Co? I paid for a order and did not even get a Email about my purchase. I am starting to wonder if threw my money away. Also the website did not say anything about backorders?

Hi,

It sounds like they need a good, stout follow-up call from you!

Sieger

JD · 03-05-2014, 05:30 PM

Pinto's in Renton... My favorite gun shop. Great people that I have known for years (Long before they opened this gun shop)....

By the way, I live in Kent also....

Ron Smith · 03-09-2014, 06:03 PM

I've loaded and shot 100s of 7.65 Luger cartridges with Hornady's .312 XTP 100 and 85 grain. They are and were extremely accurate in all of the 7.65mm Lugers I've owned. No pressure or fowling problems at all. These bullets were designed for the Win. 32-20, which I have also loaded many rounds for. I've slugged both rifle and revolver 32-20 barrels that measured from .309 to .313 and they functioned well in all of them. I also use them in 2 Ruger .32 H&R Mags with a .309, and.310 bore dia.

http://www.hornady.com/store/XTP-XTP-MAG

03-03-2014, 09:19 PM	#1
JuneGrass 8 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Western Washington , city of Kent Posts: 14 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Is there anybody out there ? Is there anybody out there who can steer this Luger collecting newby in the right direction as far as 7.65MM , approx. 90 grn. , round/truncated cast bullets by a reputable manuf. may be found ? I`m even willing to get on a long...... waiting list. Need help ," Please " Thanks , Don

03-03-2014, 10:34 PM	#2
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	Wish I could help, I just use Fiocchi 7.65mm because I can get it locally at Pinto's in Renton. (Hello to a fellow Washingtonian, by the way). I take it lead bullets are preferred for you? I know Hornady makes a 90 grain jacketed and hollowpoint but not sure about cast (most of that I found whilst looking was much heavier than 90 grain). I thought Buffalo Arms might have some (checked for you) but no, they didn't. __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

03-03-2014, 11:09 PM	#4
TheRomanhistorian User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 170 Thanked 88 Times in 64 Posts	Don, Feel free and always glad to meet fellow locals who are Luger owners! The Pinto's folks are very pleasant to deal with as they're shooters and collectors like we are. They seem to have a fairly regular stockpile of 30 Luger (usually the FMJ) and I know Bullseye in Tacoma has both though a bit pricier. Pinto's also has the odd Webley or Luger passing through (there's a .30 calibre one in right now). It's a 50s rebarrel, they think, with this odd target sight and 5.5" barrel. Please feel free to PM if I can be of any help! Michael __________________ Michael Nos morituri te salutant - Supposed saying of the gladiators to the emperor ('We, who are about to die, salute you.') 'We are the lantern bearers, my friend; for us to keep something burning, to carry what light we can forward into the darkness and the wind' - From Rosemary Sutcliff's The Lantern Bearers

03-03-2014, 11:12 PM	#5
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Don, you are correct about theoretical availability, but on the condition that you have a bullet mold and some old tire weights around! I've also found that 93 gr. .30 Luger bullets, even in FMJ, are difficult to procure for reloading. Might be trying out the lightened-up/drilled out 110 gr. FMJ for .30 carbine--There's a thread about it somewhere... __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

03-04-2014, 09:11 PM	#10
JuneGrass 8 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Western Washington , city of Kent Posts: 14 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Is there anybody out there ? Bob , Richard , Thanks to both of you for your info on cast bullets , I`m going to attempt to contact both outfits and get on there backorder list , as I`m more than sure I`ll end up , but nothing ventured , nothing gained . I appreciate your help very much . Thanks , Don

03-03-2014, 10:56 PM	#3
JuneGrass 8 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Western Washington , city of Kent Posts: 14 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Michael , Go figure , almost neighbors . Thanks for looking , and the info on Pintos , have heard of them but have never gone there , that's about to change . As far as preferring cast over jacketed , I was hoping cast would be more available . Will PM you Thanks , Don

03-04-2014, 02:40 AM	#6
JuneGrass 8 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Western Washington , city of Kent Posts: 14 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	David , I`m not ready to fire up my old drill press just yet , although I must admit it`s beginning to look dismal. I have some factory loads , and some Sierra 85 grn RN bullets that I`m assembling as dummies for O.A.L. before I get serious , and shoot this thing . I was , and still am very interested in cast lead , as I have never assembled rounds with cast bullets before , been scared silly over leading . So here I am ready willing and.........very grateful for new found interests , and friends . Thanks , Don

03-04-2014, 04:16 PM	#8
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	If you are looking for a nice 92gr LRN bullet(and not a loaded cartridge with LRN), then look at Western Bullet Company in Wyoming(I am pretty sure it is Wy). I have loaded a lot of these LRN bullets in 30 Luger brass, and can recommend them highly. They are also nice people to deal with. I know of no factory ammo loaded with 90-92gr Lead bullets.

03-04-2014, 10:18 PM	#12
singleshotman User Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts	Any idea on the delivery time on items ordered from Western Bullet Co? I paid for a order and did not even get a Email about my purchase. I am starting to wonder if threw my money away. Also the website did not say anything about backorders?

03-05-2014, 05:30 PM	#14
JD User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Western Washington Posts: 107 Thanks: 58 Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts	Pinto's in Renton... My favorite gun shop. Great people that I have known for years (Long before they opened this gun shop).... By the way, I live in Kent also....

03-09-2014, 06:03 PM	#15
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I've loaded and shot 100s of 7.65 Luger cartridges with Hornady's .312 XTP 100 and 85 grain. They are and were extremely accurate in all of the 7.65mm Lugers I've owned. No pressure or fowling problems at all. These bullets were designed for the Win. 32-20, which I have also loaded many rounds for. I've slugged both rifle and revolver 32-20 barrels that measured from .309 to .313 and they functioned well in all of them. I also use them in 2 Ruger .32 H&R Mags with a .309, and.310 bore dia. http://www.hornady.com/store/XTP-XTP-MAG __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...