original finish?

lugersrkewl · 05-11-2015, 11:17 AM

Is this original finish? I can see bluing in the pitting on the toggle train. It doesnt have halos but from browsing dealer websites 50 percent of similar guns dont have barrel halos. I was hoping someone could put a value on it too. thanks

DavidJayUden · 05-11-2015, 11:23 AM

Sorry, I really can't tell much from the photos. However I am concerned about those acceptance marks on the right side, as they seem to have been "obliterated". And if so, the fact that they are blued and not white would suggest re-blue. Let's see some close-ups including the numbers, muzzle, toggle pin, etc.
dju

lugersrkewl · 05-11-2015, 11:43 AM

I think those marks are dove over ara4 marks. Wouldn't they obliterate the birds too? Also it's hard to get decent pics with my phone and with my work schedule. My main conscern is bluing in the pits on the train. I was hoping that would be dead giveaway . But maybe it was refinished by police? I have included a shot of the barrel with no halos.

Norme · 05-11-2015, 12:22 PM

Hi Wayne, If the receiver rails are blued, which they appear to be in your photo, then the gun has definitely been refinished. They should be "in the white".
Regards, Norm

DavidJayUden · 05-11-2015, 01:19 PM

Further noting the sear safety, a re-blue at the time of conversion is entirely possible, even probable, given past pitting. But don't jump off the ledge just yet, because reblued police guns seem more accepted among collectors than, say, a shined/over-buffed salt blue job done in the States. Same thing with "force-matched" numbered magazines. It's just how things were done.
dju

05-11-2015, 11:17 AM	#1
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	original finish? Is this original finish? I can see bluing in the pitting on the toggle train. It doesnt have halos but from browsing dealer websites 50 percent of similar guns dont have barrel halos. I was hoping someone could put a value on it too. thanks Attached Thumbnails

05-11-2015, 11:43 AM	#3
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	I think those marks are dove over ara4 marks. Wouldn't they obliterate the birds too? Also it's hard to get decent pics with my phone and with my work schedule. My main conscern is bluing in the pits on the train. I was hoping that would be dead giveaway . But maybe it was refinished by police? I have included a shot of the barrel with no halos. Attached Thumbnails

05-11-2015, 11:23 AM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Sorry, I really can't tell much from the photos. However I am concerned about those acceptance marks on the right side, as they seem to have been "obliterated". And if so, the fact that they are blued and not white would suggest re-blue. Let's see some close-ups including the numbers, muzzle, toggle pin, etc. dju

05-11-2015, 12:22 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Wayne, If the receiver rails are blued, which they appear to be in your photo, then the gun has definitely been refinished. They should be "in the white". Regards, Norm

05-11-2015, 01:19 PM	#5
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Further noting the sear safety, a re-blue at the time of conversion is entirely possible, even probable, given past pitting. But don't jump off the ledge just yet, because reblued police guns seem more accepted among collectors than, say, a shined/over-buffed salt blue job done in the States. Same thing with "force-matched" numbered magazines. It's just how things were done. dju