1975 Masuer Luger Bull Barrel- what do you think?

RShaw · 09-19-2017, 01:35 PM

Hi All,

Came across this unusual P08 for sale, Description reads as follows:

Luger 1975 Bullbarrel
Collector's Firearm

Luger 1975 Bullbarrel
- Luger pistol. Maker: Mauser Caliber: 9mm Luger
- Bull Barrel. Sportversion, made in 1974. This pistol is really unique and is in mint condition.
- Only 200 pistols made. Target rear sight. This is the only really new Luger model of P08 made by Mauser.
- Price $3600

What do you all think?

Found this in the literature: (Looking for more information though)
https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/...abellum.26696/

Your impression(s) of the price?? Any and all feedback is most welcome.
Please see photos below.

kurusu · 09-19-2017, 02:35 PM

Some people like that type of heavy barrel on a Luger.

I am not one of them.

RShaw · 09-19-2017, 03:56 PM

"Some people like that type of heavy barrel in a Luger. I am not one of them."

Was wondering about that for myself as well.... thanks... you're helped me focus a bit better.

Major Tom · 09-19-2017, 04:07 PM

No history in that pistol! No "what if it could talk".

sheepherder · 09-19-2017, 05:22 PM

It is probably the closest you're going to get to a Luger factory match target pistol.

But the price seems, ah, a 'bit' high...

RShaw · 09-19-2017, 05:42 PM

It is probably the closest you're going to get to a Luger factory match target pistol.
But the price seems, ah, a 'bit' high..

True
- that's what caught my eye in the first place- the target sights.... and then the heavy barrel.

Fact is... now that I have thought about it a bit more, Lugers were built as combat pistols, not as match target pistols. AND, as Kurusu helped me to see..... I have to admit - I don't like the heavy barrel either!

I'm not going further with this unless the price comes WAY down. Which it probably won't.

Edward Tinker · 09-20-2017, 02:13 AM

I like a bull barrel. I asked GT to make me a four inch and the six inch I have for sale right now...

RShaw · 09-20-2017, 03:40 AM

Thank you Ed!

I really enjoy browsing various websites to see what's out there,
but importing from the US into the Netherlands is very complicated

So I stick to local ads or NL sites / forum members.
Hope you find a buyer soon....Thank you

Eugen · 09-20-2017, 06:06 AM

Not to my taste or budget. I think there is a very limited market for such a custom Luger.

RShaw · 09-20-2017, 06:32 AM

Price is very steep too.
Wonder how price is determined in these special cases....

DonVoigt · 09-20-2017, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RShaw

Price is very steep too.
Wonder how price is determined in these special cases....

The seller sets the price, if it sells great: if not he can always reduce the price!

Vlim · 09-20-2017, 07:50 AM

Its a nice and rare gun. But I think 2500 would be top dollar for this one.

I still have the prototypes of the target rear sight here.
Original plan was a sight added to a reworked rear toggle part.

That didn't work, so they constructed a special rear toggle part for the target pistol. It was constructed in 1974 when a radical change in German gun laws was expected. By turning the Parabellum into a target pistol Mauser hoped to retain a market. The gun law changes were far less constrictive than thougt so the target version disappeared again.

RShaw · 09-20-2017, 07:59 AM

Ahhh ok!!
Thank you!!

RShaw · 09-20-2017, 10:52 AM

Yes of course...
Turns out to be a commissioned piece, advertised on a gunshop website.
Hardly ever fired..... still... would be interesting to see it...

mauro · 09-20-2017, 01:10 PM

This is a very nice Sport Mauser Parabellum made in a very limited number by Mauser in 1975-76 time frame although some of them are dated after 1976. The produciton ended in September 1976.
A complete history of this model is available in our (Gerben and I) book: "The Parabellum is back! 1945 - 2000".
In the Mauser Archive some nice information are available about this interesting variation.
You can have information about the post WWII Mauser Production here: http://www.lugerlp08.com/the%20artil...parabellum.htm

Information about the book here: http://www.theparabellumisback.com/

Should you have any additional question on the development of this pistol please contact me anytime: [email protected]

Cheers,

Mauro

mrerick · 09-20-2017, 03:52 PM

If you want a military issued match grade target pistol consider:

- Swiss Lugers (M1929) .30 Luger
- Swiss SIG P210 9mm

Both were manufactured to the precision needed in a reliable accurate target pistol. Both are military pistols. The Swiss are (delightfully) obsessed with precision and enjoy target shooting.

RShaw · 09-20-2017, 04:47 PM

If you want a military issued match grade target pistol consider:

- Swiss Lugers (M1929) .30 Luger
- Swiss SIG P210 9mm

Many thanks mrerick!
Actually I have looked at the Swiss .30 Luger (7.65 cal or 7.62 cal)- the only question I have is the availability and cost of ammo. I understand about 2x the cost of 9mm......
A Swiss SIG P210 looks good!
I'm still experimenting.........

kurusu · 09-20-2017, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RShaw

If you want a military issued match grade target pistol consider:

- Swiss Lugers (M1929) .30 Luger
- Swiss SIG P210 9mm

Many thanks mrerick!
Actually I have looked at the Swiss .30 Luger (7.65 cal or 7.62 cal)- the only question I have is the availability and cost of ammo. I understand about 2x the cost of 9mm......
A Swiss SIG P210 looks good!
I'm still experimenting.........

The P49 (Sig 210) is a good pistol. But I still like the Luger better.

By the way our(Portuguese) M2 is just like the Swiss, minus the Swiss crest.

mrerick · 09-20-2017, 05:49 PM

The P210 I own has to be the most precision made firearm in my entire collection. It is smooth as glass when cycling.

They are more reasonably priced in Europe than they are here after importation. Pick one up while you are there.

RShaw · 09-20-2017, 06:01 PM

Thanks mrerick!
I'll remember that

09-19-2017, 01:35 PM	#1
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	1975 Masuer Luger Bull Barrel- what do you think? Hi All, Came across this unusual P08 for sale, Description reads as follows: Luger 1975 Bullbarrel Collector's Firearm Luger 1975 Bullbarrel - Luger pistol. Maker: Mauser Caliber: 9mm Luger - Bull Barrel. Sportversion, made in 1974. This pistol is really unique and is in mint condition. - Only 200 pistols made. Target rear sight. This is the only really new Luger model of P08 made by Mauser. - Price $3600 What do you all think? Found this in the literature: (Looking for more information though) https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/...abellum.26696/ Your impression(s) of the price?? Any and all feedback is most welcome. Please see photos below. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Enjoying any firearm is like staying happily married- take her out on a regular basis, treat her with respect and pay attention to proper maintenance. Looking for magazine no. 7097 Venlo, the Netherlands- RShaw

09-19-2017, 04:07 PM	#4
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 484 Thanks: 533 Thanked 227 Times in 124 Posts	No history in that pistol! No "what if it could talk". __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

09-19-2017, 05:22 PM	#5
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	It is probably the closest you're going to get to a Luger factory match target pistol. But the price seems, ah, a 'bit' high... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

09-20-2017, 06:06 AM	#9
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 394 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	Not to my taste or budget. I think there is a very limited market for such a custom Luger. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

09-20-2017, 01:10 PM	#15
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	This is a very nice Sport Mauser Parabellum made in a very limited number by Mauser in 1975-76 time frame although some of them are dated after 1976. The produciton ended in September 1976. A complete history of this model is available in our (Gerben and I) book: "The Parabellum is back! 1945 - 2000". In the Mauser Archive some nice information are available about this interesting variation. You can have information about the post WWII Mauser Production here: http://www.lugerlp08.com/the%20artil...parabellum.htm Information about the book here: http://www.theparabellumisback.com/ Should you have any additional question on the development of this pistol please contact me anytime: [email protected] Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

09-19-2017, 02:35 PM	#2
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	Some people like that type of heavy barrel on a Luger. I am not one of them.

09-19-2017, 03:56 PM	#3
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	"Some people like that type of heavy barrel in a Luger. I am not one of them." Was wondering about that for myself as well.... thanks... you're helped me focus a bit better.

09-19-2017, 05:42 PM	#6
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	It is probably the closest you're going to get to a Luger factory match target pistol. But the price seems, ah, a 'bit' high.. True - that's what caught my eye in the first place- the target sights.... and then the heavy barrel. Fact is... now that I have thought about it a bit more, Lugers were built as combat pistols, not as match target pistols. AND, as Kurusu helped me to see..... I have to admit - I don't like the heavy barrel either! I'm not going further with this unless the price comes WAY down. Which it probably won't.

09-20-2017, 02:13 AM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I like a bull barrel. I asked GT to make me a four inch and the six inch I have for sale right now...

09-20-2017, 03:40 AM	#8
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Thank you Ed! I really enjoy browsing various websites to see what's out there, but importing from the US into the Netherlands is very complicated So I stick to local ads or NL sites / forum members. Hope you find a buyer soon....Thank you

09-20-2017, 06:32 AM	#10
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Price is very steep too. Wonder how price is determined in these special cases....

09-20-2017, 07:50 AM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Its a nice and rare gun. But I think 2500 would be top dollar for this one. I still have the prototypes of the target rear sight here. Original plan was a sight added to a reworked rear toggle part. That didn't work, so they constructed a special rear toggle part for the target pistol. It was constructed in 1974 when a radical change in German gun laws was expected. By turning the Parabellum into a target pistol Mauser hoped to retain a market. The gun law changes were far less constrictive than thougt so the target version disappeared again.

09-20-2017, 07:59 AM	#13
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Ahhh ok!! Thank you!!

09-20-2017, 10:52 AM	#14
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Yes of course... Turns out to be a commissioned piece, advertised on a gunshop website. Hardly ever fired..... still... would be interesting to see it...

09-20-2017, 03:52 PM	#16
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	If you want a military issued match grade target pistol consider: - Swiss Lugers (M1929) .30 Luger - Swiss SIG P210 9mm Both were manufactured to the precision needed in a reliable accurate target pistol. Both are military pistols. The Swiss are (delightfully) obsessed with precision and enjoy target shooting. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-20-2017, 04:47 PM	#17
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	If you want a military issued match grade target pistol consider: - Swiss Lugers (M1929) .30 Luger - Swiss SIG P210 9mm Many thanks mrerick! Actually I have looked at the Swiss .30 Luger (7.65 cal or 7.62 cal)- the only question I have is the availability and cost of ammo. I understand about 2x the cost of 9mm...... A Swiss SIG P210 looks good! I'm still experimenting.........

09-20-2017, 05:49 PM	#19
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	The P210 I own has to be the most precision made firearm in my entire collection. It is smooth as glass when cycling. They are more reasonably priced in Europe than they are here after importation. Pick one up while you are there. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-20-2017, 06:01 PM	#20
RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Thanks mrerick! I'll remember that