Paperweight or something of value???

ARC Engineering · 10-03-2018, 09:24 PM

I was just given a P 08 Luger in sad condition.
I was wondering if anyone can identify what I have...
It has P.08 stamped on the left side of the frame
It Has "Japan"engraved on the left side of the forward toggle link
and it has NO. 1293
the 7" barrel ha been "spiked"
the plastic magazine catch and magazine bottom are deteriorated and stuck in place
the trigger slide plate is missing
A few small springs and ball bearings (for safety and lock bolt detents) are missing
Grips are plastic

Anyway, it may be a movie prop or some sort of knockoff.
If anyone can help me determine if it has any value or if it's worth trying to fix, I would greatly appreciate it...

Edward Tinker · 10-03-2018, 10:34 PM

well, I would say it is a toy

but the pictures are very small - that said, no LP08 (artillery model) ever had the P08 on the left.

What do you mean that the barrel is spiked?

Ed

DonVoigt · 10-03-2018, 10:48 PM

It is a Japanese made model luger, pot metal.
Some folks collect them.

sheepherder · 10-03-2018, 11:17 PM

The guys on this forum can tell you what you've got -

http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/

I'm a member there, and they helped me enormously. The Japanese modelguns, especially from the 60's, are very collectible. MGC is a much-wanted marque.

Sergio Natali · 10-06-2018, 08:42 AM

Probably just a toy as others have already said, in any case I can't see much from these small pictures.

DonVoigt · 10-06-2018, 10:54 AM

There is really no question as to what it is, it is a Japanese made pot-metal "model" of a luger.
Since the Japanese cannot own "real" pistols, they have made accurate models with moving parts of many models of pistols and some rifles.

You can still buy these new.

In the box and in perfect condition a luger might bring a couple hundred, unless it is a "rare model". The barrel is not "spiked" but was made that way, the "hole" never went all the way through.

One in this condition and missing parts or some functions not complete, what ever one can get.

ARC Engineering · 10-06-2018, 12:35 PM

Sorry for the small pictures, but I was unsuccessful uploading full resolution pictures (too large)

As DonVoigt first said, I believe it's a pot-metal reproduction - i.e. magnet does not stick to it
The term "spiked" barrel was a reference to the 1800's term for damaging a cannon by driving a spike into the "touch hole" It looked like someone had driven a spike in the barrel, but I now believe DonVoigt correctly pointed out that it was made that way.

It's probably just a paperweight as I first expected. It's condition is not in good enough to be of much value even to a reproduction collector. In fact, the black Bauer Bros. Mfg. holster it came with (in nice shape) is probably worth more than what was inside it...

I want to thank everyone for taking the time to respond to my post to confirming what I first suspected!!!

Jim Mac · 11-14-2018, 11:28 PM

it's still a cool model
I bought a walther ppk cast reproduction in the mid 70s while in Okinawa when I was a kid and still have it. my buddy gave me a full size Tommy gun with a drum that's a accurate reproduction. prices on these toy guns are nuts, but if your govt doesnt trust you with a real gun and all you can own are copies, might as well get a accurate toy. I guess im.saying I wouldn't toss it, fools like me keep that kind of stuff. jim

ARC Engineering · 11-21-2018, 12:05 PM

Hi Jim

Thanks for your comments!

I have decided not to keep the model Luger and would be happy to pass it on to a collector at a modest cost to cover packaging & shipping.

Cheers

mrerick · 11-22-2018, 10:04 AM

It would be better to add a new "For Sale" listing with a price (that covers your cost of shipping, etc...) than append it to the end of a discussion thread. Please do this.

Marc

10-03-2018, 09:24 PM	#1
ARC Engineering New User Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Paperweight or something of value??? I was just given a P 08 Luger in sad condition. I was wondering if anyone can identify what I have... It has P.08 stamped on the left side of the frame It Has "Japan"engraved on the left side of the forward toggle link and it has NO. 1293 the 7" barrel ha been "spiked" the plastic magazine catch and magazine bottom are deteriorated and stuck in place the trigger slide plate is missing A few small springs and ball bearings (for safety and lock bolt detents) are missing Grips are plastic Anyway, it may be a movie prop or some sort of knockoff. If anyone can help me determine if it has any value or if it's worth trying to fix, I would greatly appreciate it... Attached Images Last edited by Edward Tinker; 10-03-2018 at 10:32 PM.

10-03-2018, 10:34 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	well, I would say it is a toy but the pictures are very small - that said, no LP08 (artillery model) ever had the P08 on the left. What do you mean that the barrel is spiked? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-03-2018, 10:48 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	It is a Japanese made model luger, pot metal. Some folks collect them. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

10-03-2018, 11:17 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	The guys on this forum can tell you what you've got - http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/ I'm a member there, and they helped me enormously. The Japanese modelguns, especially from the 60's, are very collectible. MGC is a much-wanted marque. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

10-06-2018, 08:42 AM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Probably just a toy as others have already said, in any case I can't see much from these small pictures. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

10-06-2018, 10:54 AM	#6
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	There is really no question as to what it is, it is a Japanese made pot-metal "model" of a luger. Since the Japanese cannot own "real" pistols, they have made accurate models with moving parts of many models of pistols and some rifles. You can still buy these new. In the box and in perfect condition a luger might bring a couple hundred, unless it is a "rare model". The barrel is not "spiked" but was made that way, the "hole" never went all the way through. One in this condition and missing parts or some functions not complete, what ever one can get. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

10-06-2018, 12:35 PM	#7
ARC Engineering New User Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Sorry for the small pictures, but I was unsuccessful uploading full resolution pictures (too large) As DonVoigt first said, I believe it's a pot-metal reproduction - i.e. magnet does not stick to it The term "spiked" barrel was a reference to the 1800's term for damaging a cannon by driving a spike into the "touch hole" It looked like someone had driven a spike in the barrel, but I now believe DonVoigt correctly pointed out that it was made that way. It's probably just a paperweight as I first expected. It's condition is not in good enough to be of much value even to a reproduction collector. In fact, the black Bauer Bros. Mfg. holster it came with (in nice shape) is probably worth more than what was inside it... I want to thank everyone for taking the time to respond to my post to confirming what I first suspected!!!

11-14-2018, 11:28 PM	#8
Jim Mac User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 261 Thanks: 2 Thanked 67 Times in 35 Posts	it's still a cool model I bought a walther ppk cast reproduction in the mid 70s while in Okinawa when I was a kid and still have it. my buddy gave me a full size Tommy gun with a drum that's a accurate reproduction. prices on these toy guns are nuts, but if your govt doesnt trust you with a real gun and all you can own are copies, might as well get a accurate toy. I guess im.saying I wouldn't toss it, fools like me keep that kind of stuff. jim

11-21-2018, 12:05 PM	#9
ARC Engineering New User Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	For Sale Hi Jim Thanks for your comments! I have decided not to keep the model Luger and would be happy to pass it on to a collector at a modest cost to cover packaging & shipping. Cheers

11-22-2018, 10:04 AM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	It would be better to add a new "For Sale" listing with a price (that covers your cost of shipping, etc...) than append it to the end of a discussion thread. Please do this. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.