Dirty lugers

jeb111 · 07-21-2021, 06:58 PM

Has anyone bought or received a Luger that didn’t need a big cleaning? I have several and everyone upon purchasing were so dirty, I just know wherever my Lugers or any of my firearms for that matter end up in the future whoever gets them won’t have to clean them! I have pride of ownership as I am sure other forum members share that sentiment!
Jim

Heinz · 07-21-2021, 07:55 PM

I have bought 4, all were clean

wayne8661 · 07-21-2021, 08:43 PM

I have purchased a few that were so packed with old cosmoline that I had to use Acetone to get them clean.

Norme · 07-21-2021, 08:54 PM

I am of the opposite opinion. I would much rather buy a gun that has congealed and hardened lubricant in every crevice than one that is spanking clean and lightly oiled. Above all I despise the practice of rubbing white lacquer into the numbers and markings. I believe that a collector who tries to beautify a gun would likely be tempted to do a little renumbering (grips, magazines etc.) on the side.
Norm

Edward Tinker · 07-21-2021, 10:03 PM

I clean my Lugers, mostly…. But I am not one, in the least to tear it down to ALL its parts.
In the army Unit Armorer course, they told us more guns are damaged by over cleaning than dirty guns. And I use CLP and it can draw out fouling, as days after a cleaning you’d do the bore and it appeared dirty.

jeb111 · 07-22-2021, 09:22 AM

I like cleaning my firearms, I clean them more than I shoot them. So I’m not complaining. I do agree with Norm, I don’t care for the highlighted markings either, I guess I understand a dealer using them to show markings for potential buyers to see easier when posted online but in person I carry a gun light, magnifying glass and reading glasses to see everything.
Like Ed, I usually don’t tear down my guns completely just the basic field strip. My question is though can you really over clean a gun? If you use the wrong solvents and disassemble the gun like a “bull in a China shop” things can get damaged but when cleaning a barrel properly there always seems to be some dirt on the cleaning patch but Ed you probably know something I don’t.
Jim

Major Tom · 07-22-2021, 09:24 AM

I once had a 03A3 rifle that was packed with old cosmoline to the extreme. I used several applications of boiling water to remove all of it. Boiling water evaporates almost instantly leaving a nice clean metal surface. No harsh chemicals to remove.

Edward Tinker · 07-22-2021, 10:42 AM

Jeb, the worst thing about over cleaning is the usage of a metal rod and it hitting the crown - or that you drop it or you rub it too much - Its like shooting, anything can happen - when I was younger I cleaned much more, but now I am 'old', I don't love cleaning as much

Its like many things, if it makes you happy, I am all for it

An interesting observation, many times I hear about it being factory fresh, or been in storage for many years (like since WW2), but when I went to europe for three years (turned out to be 7), that I had cleaned my guns left at my dads, then coated with RIG grease, by the time I cleaned them, you'd have sworn they had not been touched since WW2! Looked just like old cosmoline

rhuff · 07-22-2021, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

- when I was younger I cleaned much more, but now I am 'old', I don't love cleaning as much

This ^^^^^^^. And the guns perform just as good as they used to when I "over-cleaned" them.

HerrKaiser · 07-22-2021, 05:16 PM

I never do an entire cleaning routine on a weapon unless I have fired it beforehand. That said, I still rather enjoy the process of cleaning my guns and taking them apart/putting them back together.

Despite cleaning only after shooting, I will occasionally do a quick field strip to ensure everything is properly lubed then give a fresh coat of gun oil before putting it away, because I AM still younger (25) and like to handle my firearms very regularly, possibly over-handling?. Which is why I am thankful that 3 of my 4 Lugers are either dedicated shooters, or already had a lot of prior handling wear on the grip straps when purchased.

jeb111 · 07-22-2021, 08:04 PM

Ed, the one thing I am very careful with is watching that the cleaning rod doesn't hit the crown and only a light coat of teflon oil when done. When you own Lugers that aren't shooters handling them is something I love to do on occasion. I made the original post as I was cleaning one of my Lugers and that is when I came up with my question because if I recollect only one of my six was halfway clean the others not so much. I guess it comes with collecting older guns.
Jim

Kiwi · 07-23-2021, 10:07 AM

I always strip, clean, and oil any new (to me) gun before a trip to the range.

My first Parabellum (70's Mauser 7.65) was so dry I am unsure if it had ever been fired after test. squeaky clean, desperately dry. Oiled and fired, did not cycle well for first few magazines, but is happy now.

2nd DMW 1913 mismatch shooter was also clean and needed some oiling so guess it had been a safe queen for a bit before sale.

Diver6106 · 07-23-2021, 11:37 AM

I enjoy cleaning a Luger after purchasing the gun. I like to strip them completely down and examine all the parts and see if they match with numbers. Especially when they are so old and sometimes missing parts, broken springs or have field expedient fixes. If it hasn't been cleaned and stripped since the war, you can find some interesting things. Under the detents, pins and springs, there is grime and soil from all the time it spent in the field. I often wish I could send it in to see what battlefields it came from. You can find surprises in scratches or notes under the grips. And then - it is just good fun to really get to know YOUR Luger.

sheepherder · 01-04-2022, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Diver6106

...I like to strip them completely down and examine all the parts...

+1

My 1900 AE had a sloppy safety lever; did not engage 'detents'. I stripped down to bare frame, drove safety lever retaining pin out, copper brush cleaned the safety hole and safety itself. Re-assembled and Viola! [that's French], the safety now engaged the 'detents' properly and worked correctly!

While working on safety lever, I also disassembled breech block and discovered broken firing pin spring guide.

I am now firm believer of detail stripping.

spangy · 07-23-2021, 01:10 PM

Like Diver6106 and probably everyone else here I really enjoy getting to know a new gun. I completely dismantle, clean, and appropriately lube or oil my guns. All rust is removed and dealt with to ensure that it is halted. Any parts needed are acquired and installed. I do this to know my gun inside out and ensure everything is in safe working order. This to me is the joy of Luger ownership and I love it.

This pastime is as minimal or as expansive as you want it to be but it is absolutely addictive and my collection keeps expanding as does my knowledge of all things Luger related ... couldn't be happier that I started down this road and Lugerforum has been with me every step of the way.

Batty67 · 01-04-2022, 09:47 AM

I spent about 2 hours carefully cleaning and lightly oiling (G96) moving parts (except some Wilson Combat lube on the rails) of my new to me BYF 41. I also put a little Hoppes and ran my boresnake through the barrel 2-3 times, after removing a ton of accumulated lint. And then nylon brush followed by cotton swab and patches. It clearly had not been shot in...ages. I always take the time to become well-acquainted with my firearms when I take possession.

I WILL shoot mine at least a little, after I get some Nils grips and remove the bakelite grips, which look pretty worn on the insides. Separate thread and pix soming soon...

07-21-2021, 06:58 PM	#1
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 712 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	Dirty lugers Has anyone bought or received a Luger that didn’t need a big cleaning? I have several and everyone upon purchasing were so dirty, I just know wherever my Lugers or any of my firearms for that matter end up in the future whoever gets them won’t have to clean them! I have pride of ownership as I am sure other forum members share that sentiment! Jim

07-22-2021, 09:24 AM	#7
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 484 Thanks: 533 Thanked 227 Times in 124 Posts	I once had a 03A3 rifle that was packed with old cosmoline to the extreme. I used several applications of boiling water to remove all of it. Boiling water evaporates almost instantly leaving a nice clean metal surface. No harsh chemicals to remove. __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

07-22-2021, 05:16 PM	#10
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	I never do an entire cleaning routine on a weapon unless I have fired it beforehand. That said, I still rather enjoy the process of cleaning my guns and taking them apart/putting them back together. Despite cleaning only after shooting, I will occasionally do a quick field strip to ensure everything is properly lubed then give a fresh coat of gun oil before putting it away, because I AM still younger (25) and like to handle my firearms very regularly, possibly over-handling?. Which is why I am thankful that 3 of my 4 Lugers are either dedicated shooters, or already had a lot of prior handling wear on the grip straps when purchased. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

07-23-2021, 01:10 PM	#15
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 617 Thanks: 3,065 Thanked 1,057 Times in 429 Posts	Like Diver6106 and probably everyone else here I really enjoy getting to know a new gun. I completely dismantle, clean, and appropriately lube or oil my guns. All rust is removed and dealt with to ensure that it is halted. Any parts needed are acquired and installed. I do this to know my gun inside out and ensure everything is in safe working order. This to me is the joy of Luger ownership and I love it. This pastime is as minimal or as expansive as you want it to be but it is absolutely addictive and my collection keeps expanding as does my knowledge of all things Luger related ... couldn't be happier that I started down this road and Lugerforum has been with me every step of the way. __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

07-21-2021, 07:55 PM	#2
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	I have bought 4, all were clean

07-21-2021, 08:43 PM	#3
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	I have purchased a few that were so packed with old cosmoline that I had to use Acetone to get them clean.

07-21-2021, 08:54 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	I am of the opposite opinion. I would much rather buy a gun that has congealed and hardened lubricant in every crevice than one that is spanking clean and lightly oiled. Above all I despise the practice of rubbing white lacquer into the numbers and markings. I believe that a collector who tries to beautify a gun would likely be tempted to do a little renumbering (grips, magazines etc.) on the side. Norm

07-21-2021, 10:03 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I clean my Lugers, mostly…. But I am not one, in the least to tear it down to ALL its parts. In the army Unit Armorer course, they told us more guns are damaged by over cleaning than dirty guns. And I use CLP and it can draw out fouling, as days after a cleaning you’d do the bore and it appeared dirty.

07-22-2021, 09:22 AM	#6
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 712 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	I like cleaning my firearms, I clean them more than I shoot them. So I’m not complaining. I do agree with Norm, I don’t care for the highlighted markings either, I guess I understand a dealer using them to show markings for potential buyers to see easier when posted online but in person I carry a gun light, magnifying glass and reading glasses to see everything. Like Ed, I usually don’t tear down my guns completely just the basic field strip. My question is though can you really over clean a gun? If you use the wrong solvents and disassemble the gun like a “bull in a China shop” things can get damaged but when cleaning a barrel properly there always seems to be some dirt on the cleaning patch but Ed you probably know something I don’t. Jim

07-22-2021, 10:42 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Jeb, the worst thing about over cleaning is the usage of a metal rod and it hitting the crown - or that you drop it or you rub it too much - Its like shooting, anything can happen - when I was younger I cleaned much more, but now I am 'old', I don't love cleaning as much Its like many things, if it makes you happy, I am all for it An interesting observation, many times I hear about it being factory fresh, or been in storage for many years (like since WW2), but when I went to europe for three years (turned out to be 7), that I had cleaned my guns left at my dads, then coated with RIG grease, by the time I cleaned them, you'd have sworn they had not been touched since WW2! Looked just like old cosmoline

07-22-2021, 08:04 PM	#11
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 712 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	Ed, the one thing I am very careful with is watching that the cleaning rod doesn't hit the crown and only a light coat of teflon oil when done. When you own Lugers that aren't shooters handling them is something I love to do on occasion. I made the original post as I was cleaning one of my Lugers and that is when I came up with my question because if I recollect only one of my six was halfway clean the others not so much. I guess it comes with collecting older guns. Jim

07-23-2021, 10:07 AM	#12
Kiwi User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Wrong side of the Delaware river Posts: 309 Thanks: 216 Thanked 436 Times in 173 Posts	I always strip, clean, and oil any new (to me) gun before a trip to the range. My first Parabellum (70's Mauser 7.65) was so dry I am unsure if it had ever been fired after test. squeaky clean, desperately dry. Oiled and fired, did not cycle well for first few magazines, but is happy now. 2nd DMW 1913 mismatch shooter was also clean and needed some oiling so guess it had been a safe queen for a bit before sale.

07-23-2021, 11:37 AM	#13
Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 244 Thanks: 1,424 Thanked 117 Times in 75 Posts	I enjoy cleaning a Luger after purchasing the gun. I like to strip them completely down and examine all the parts and see if they match with numbers. Especially when they are so old and sometimes missing parts, broken springs or have field expedient fixes. If it hasn't been cleaned and stripped since the war, you can find some interesting things. Under the detents, pins and springs, there is grime and soil from all the time it spent in the field. I often wish I could send it in to see what battlefields it came from. You can find surprises in scratches or notes under the grips. And then - it is just good fun to really get to know YOUR Luger.

01-04-2022, 09:47 AM	#16
Batty67 User Join Date: Nov 2021 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 31 Thanks: 7 Thanked 37 Times in 11 Posts	I spent about 2 hours carefully cleaning and lightly oiling (G96) moving parts (except some Wilson Combat lube on the rails) of my new to me BYF 41. I also put a little Hoppes and ran my boresnake through the barrel 2-3 times, after removing a ton of accumulated lint. And then nylon brush followed by cotton swab and patches. It clearly had not been shot in...ages. I always take the time to become well-acquainted with my firearms when I take possession. I WILL shoot mine at least a little, after I get some Nils grips and remove the bakelite grips, which look pretty worn on the insides. Separate thread and pix soming soon...