Any collectors from Canada here?

naugler · 06-10-2004, 09:56 PM

I'd like to purchase a restricted Luger (Arty, Navy or re-barrelled shooter) sometime later this summer. Can any Canadian collector point me in the right direction?

thanks very much

John Sabato · 06-11-2004, 11:39 AM

We have several collectors from Canada in this forum. I am sure that one of them will respond as soon as they have had a chance to read your request.

the first member name I can think of is Kidvett... do a search for his posts and when you find one, you can send him a private message.

lugercollector · 06-11-2004, 02:19 PM

Yes.....I am up in the great white North.....and have several Lugers for sale....Cheers....Peter...

naugler · 06-11-2004, 03:16 PM

Thanks Peter, I sent you an email earlier today to your hotmail account.
regards

josef · 06-11-2004, 10:42 PM

Hi, I'm here from Calgary, I think I chatted with you on another forum recently (k98s??) Take care and welcome to P08s!!
Joe

naugler · 06-11-2004, 10:44 PM

Hey Joe, yeah that was me, I have a small collection of milsurps (including a K98) and I am always trying to learn more.
thanks for the friendly welcome. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

josef · 06-11-2004, 11:00 PM

I'm still learning about P08s, the guys here and on Jan Still's site are great. Would love to see your collection. Take care,
Joe

kidvett · 06-12-2004, 01:10 AM

Hello Naugler,

As a few of us, I'm also a Canadian Collector.....German Military Pistols ( mostly Lugers.....) Have been for a few years

Basic stuff to know:
Do you want an original piece or a shooter ?? .30 Cal or 9 mil ??

Restricted originals would take you in the following categories: Contract piece ( 4 3/4 in 30 Cal ) Arty ( 8 in 9mm, expensive & not too common here ) and last Navy ( 6 inch, VERY VERY EXPENSIVE & close to impossible to find !! )

Shooter built up guns would be in the $600-$850 Cdn range depending on condition, finish & options....

Feel free to email / PM me for info....I'll be glad to help !!

John,
Thanks for the reference !! I havent been much on the LF lately......summer activities taking over.......

MARK

josef · 06-12-2004, 01:33 AM

Hey Mark, what would an artillery Luger fetch in this country? Just in average original condition, all matching, no holster?

kidvett · 06-12-2004, 10:02 AM

Hi Josef,

Arty's are usually found in the $1500-1800 range.....A lucky find would be at $1200 and high end at $2500 ( who !! pays that much here for a pistol ?? ) If one comes your way, BUY IT !!

My observations in the last few years are showing that Arty's have been scarce on the market due mostly to private Collections & Exportation. They were more common lets say just 5 years ago......but that can be said of a lot of Collector Pistols !! When is the last time you saw a nice German Hi Power here in Canada ??

MARK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

naugler · 06-12-2004, 05:00 PM

Well...I'm just getting started on Lugers and there's no way I could justify paying over $1000 for an Artillery Luger. As I need to find a model with a barrel length over 4.2" my best and only bet is probably a re-barreled shooter. I want to shoot 9mm not .30.
The only retail outlet in Canada that I have found a re-barreld restricted Luger is the Collector Source. Price $650. I have included a link below. The pistol in question is the Finnish Luger about 1/3 of the way down the page.

http://www.collectorssource.com/category.asp?catid=12

I originally thought that this was a bit expensive for a re-barrled Luger, but I haven't been able to find anything else to compare it to.

Any feedback on this would be apprechiated.

kidvett · 06-12-2004, 05:23 PM

Naugler,

A ``Shooter `` 9mm ?? How about this one ??

MARK

naugler · 06-12-2004, 06:23 PM

I honestly don't know enough about Lugers to know if your making me an offer on a shooter or making fun of my situation...

kidvett · 06-13-2004, 02:06 AM

Naugler,

Dont get me wrong here......I posted this photo to show you what a nice ( in my opinion ) ``shooter ``Luger can be alike !! This specific piece was built by me with a little help from my Gunsmith......for a fellow that turned away because of pricing.....so yes it could be FS....

Like I stated previously and John pointed out to you, I can give you information & tips that can perhaps help you find what you want......and remember that we all started somewhere.......

Just send PM or email & I'll gladly respond

Friendly yours,

MARK

Ron Wood · 06-13-2004, 03:01 AM

Naugler,

The Finnish Luger you are considering is a reasonable deal. It appears to be a legitimate Finnish rebarrel and if it has the Finnish Ã¢??SAÃ¢?Â in a rectangle on the left receiver and a marking on the barrel that is a Ã¢??TÃ¢?Â in a triangle inside a circle, it is correct. This is an acceptable Finnish Luger and is worth the $650 asking price if in decent condition. Finnish Lugers quite often have mis-matched serial numbers and are refinished, so that is why they do not command a very high price, but they are good guns and the 9mm caliber makes them particularly attractive as shooters. If I didnÃ¢??t already have a similar Finnish Luger and didnÃ¢??t have to contend with import bureaucracy, I would consider purchasing it.

naugler · 06-13-2004, 12:53 PM

Thanks very much for the info Ron.

Pete Ebbink · 08-11-2004, 09:03 PM

Some Italian info. on the Finnish lugers :

http://www.exordinanza.net/schede/lugerM23.htm

Erich · 11-22-2004, 07:31 PM

I'm living in Montreal right now and I was hoping to get a sweet deal on a luger up here. Some things I dont understand... in Canada you cant buy a regular P-08 luger but you can get an AR-15...? And back home I can buy lugers all day long but cant get an AK. Oh, the irony! Actually, I have found a decent shooter grade luger for $330 US. All matching 1917 Erfurt, with (gulp) aftermarket mag and a recent reblue (lots left). If I bought it, by the time it get home it would run me $450 US... is that still a decent price for a shooter grade WWI pistol? Keep in mind, this is strictly to take to the range (and cuddle with in the evenings). I'm wondering if the generic mag makes this not worth the cash, or is it still something of a deal? This would be my first luger, but by no means my first firearm.

Cheers,
Erich

John Sabato · 11-23-2004, 10:20 AM

Erich, welcome to the Lugerforum.

If you can get that Luger home for $450.00 LEGALLY then you better buy it. Even Shooter Lugers are worth every penny of that in today's gun market...and the prices will NEVER go down, only up.

The price of the gun can be affected by whether or not it has a matching, or correct period magazine (as in price increase), but the gun itself is worth what you have been quoted. Aftermarket mags can be purchased for as little as $25-35...

Erich · 11-23-2004, 11:42 AM

Ok, that is what I figured, so I will put the wheels in motion. Thankfully, it will all be legal; living in California makes one paranoid about knowing all the laws. It will have to pass through a few dealers hands on the way to me but it will show up eventually, assuming the ATF approves my Form 6.

Thanks John!
Cheers!

06-10-2004, 09:56 PM	#1
naugler User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any collectors from Canada here? I'd like to purchase a restricted Luger (Arty, Navy or re-barrelled shooter) sometime later this summer. Can any Canadian collector point me in the right direction? thanks very much

06-11-2004, 11:39 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	We have several collectors from Canada in this forum. I am sure that one of them will respond as soon as they have had a chance to read your request. the first member name I can think of is Kidvett... do a search for his posts and when you find one, you can send him a private message. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-13-2004, 03:01 AM	#15
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Naugler, The Finnish Luger you are considering is a reasonable deal. It appears to be a legitimate Finnish rebarrel and if it has the Finnish Ã¢??SAÃ¢?Â in a rectangle on the left receiver and a marking on the barrel that is a Ã¢??TÃ¢?Â in a triangle inside a circle, it is correct. This is an acceptable Finnish Luger and is worth the $650 asking price if in decent condition. Finnish Lugers quite often have mis-matched serial numbers and are refinished, so that is why they do not command a very high price, but they are good guns and the 9mm caliber makes them particularly attractive as shooters. If I didnÃ¢??t already have a similar Finnish Luger and didnÃ¢??t have to contend with import bureaucracy, I would consider purchasing it. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-23-2004, 10:20 AM	#19
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Erich, welcome to the Lugerforum. If you can get that Luger home for $450.00 LEGALLY then you better buy it. Even Shooter Lugers are worth every penny of that in today's gun market...and the prices will NEVER go down, only up. The price of the gun can be affected by whether or not it has a matching, or correct period magazine (as in price increase), but the gun itself is worth what you have been quoted. Aftermarket mags can be purchased for as little as $25-35... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-11-2004, 02:19 PM	#3
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Yes.....I am up in the great white North.....and have several Lugers for sale....Cheers....Peter...

06-11-2004, 03:16 PM	#4
naugler User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Peter, I sent you an email earlier today to your hotmail account. regards

06-11-2004, 10:42 PM	#5
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Hi, I'm here from Calgary, I think I chatted with you on another forum recently (k98s??) Take care and welcome to P08s!! Joe

06-11-2004, 10:44 PM	#6
naugler User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey Joe, yeah that was me, I have a small collection of milsurps (including a K98) and I am always trying to learn more. thanks for the friendly welcome. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

06-11-2004, 11:00 PM	#7
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	I'm still learning about P08s, the guys here and on Jan Still's site are great. Would love to see your collection. Take care, Joe

06-12-2004, 01:10 AM	#8
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hello Naugler, As a few of us, I'm also a Canadian Collector.....German Military Pistols ( mostly Lugers.....) Have been for a few years Basic stuff to know: Do you want an original piece or a shooter ?? .30 Cal or 9 mil ?? Restricted originals would take you in the following categories: Contract piece ( 4 3/4 in 30 Cal ) Arty ( 8 in 9mm, expensive & not too common here ) and last Navy ( 6 inch, VERY VERY EXPENSIVE & close to impossible to find !! ) Shooter built up guns would be in the $600-$850 Cdn range depending on condition, finish & options.... Feel free to email / PM me for info....I'll be glad to help !! John, Thanks for the reference !! I havent been much on the LF lately......summer activities taking over....... MARK

06-12-2004, 01:33 AM	#9
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Hey Mark, what would an artillery Luger fetch in this country? Just in average original condition, all matching, no holster?

06-12-2004, 10:02 AM	#10
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Josef, Arty's are usually found in the $1500-1800 range.....A lucky find would be at $1200 and high end at $2500 ( who !! pays that much here for a pistol ?? ) If one comes your way, BUY IT !! My observations in the last few years are showing that Arty's have been scarce on the market due mostly to private Collections & Exportation. They were more common lets say just 5 years ago......but that can be said of a lot of Collector Pistols !! When is the last time you saw a nice German Hi Power here in Canada ?? MARK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

06-12-2004, 05:00 PM	#11
naugler User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well...I'm just getting started on Lugers and there's no way I could justify paying over $1000 for an Artillery Luger. As I need to find a model with a barrel length over 4.2" my best and only bet is probably a re-barreled shooter. I want to shoot 9mm not .30. The only retail outlet in Canada that I have found a re-barreld restricted Luger is the Collector Source. Price $650. I have included a link below. The pistol in question is the Finnish Luger about 1/3 of the way down the page. http://www.collectorssource.com/category.asp?catid=12 I originally thought that this was a bit expensive for a re-barrled Luger, but I haven't been able to find anything else to compare it to. Any feedback on this would be apprechiated.

06-12-2004, 05:23 PM	#12
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Naugler, A ``Shooter `` 9mm ?? How about this one ?? MARK

06-12-2004, 06:23 PM	#13
naugler User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I honestly don't know enough about Lugers to know if your making me an offer on a shooter or making fun of my situation...

06-13-2004, 02:06 AM	#14
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Naugler, Dont get me wrong here......I posted this photo to show you what a nice ( in my opinion ) ``shooter ``Luger can be alike !! This specific piece was built by me with a little help from my Gunsmith......for a fellow that turned away because of pricing.....so yes it could be FS.... Like I stated previously and John pointed out to you, I can give you information & tips that can perhaps help you find what you want......and remember that we all started somewhere....... Just send PM or email & I'll gladly respond Friendly yours, MARK

06-13-2004, 12:53 PM	#16
naugler User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks very much for the info Ron.

08-11-2004, 09:03 PM	#17
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Some Italian info. on the Finnish lugers : http://www.exordinanza.net/schede/lugerM23.htm

11-22-2004, 07:31 PM	#18
Erich New User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm living in Montreal right now and I was hoping to get a sweet deal on a luger up here. Some things I dont understand... in Canada you cant buy a regular P-08 luger but you can get an AR-15...? And back home I can buy lugers all day long but cant get an AK. Oh, the irony! Actually, I have found a decent shooter grade luger for $330 US. All matching 1917 Erfurt, with (gulp) aftermarket mag and a recent reblue (lots left). If I bought it, by the time it get home it would run me $450 US... is that still a decent price for a shooter grade WWI pistol? Keep in mind, this is strictly to take to the range (and cuddle with in the evenings). I'm wondering if the generic mag makes this not worth the cash, or is it still something of a deal? This would be my first luger, but by no means my first firearm. Cheers, Erich

11-23-2004, 11:42 AM	#20
Erich New User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok, that is what I figured, so I will put the wheels in motion. Thankfully, it will all be legal; living in California makes one paranoid about knowing all the laws. It will have to pass through a few dealers hands on the way to me but it will show up eventually, assuming the ATF approves my Form 6. Thanks John! Cheers!