P08 Luger Netherlands

playtag · 04-08-2004, 09:28 PM

I have been put in an awkward position by a man I work with,I mentioned I would like to buy a luger and just so happened he had one he would sell,Not being at all knowledgeable on lugers.I need some info as well as a fair offer to give him for his pistol, It seems in very decent shape,apperance wise. It is a 9mm,It has wood grips,The barrel has a four digit serial number and a crown with an N under it. from the John Walter's book on lugers we determined it to be from the Netherlands,It has one common serial number on the majortiy of parts,however it does have some small parts that are of another two digit number.Under the safty it has the word,"GESICHERT". there is no date or letter on the top of the gun,It has one clip with a wood bottom on it with the gun.I have been told from another soure via email from same description that this was a comercial gun,rather then a military gun.I would like to be able to confirm or disprove this with any help.From the best of my knowledge this is all i can remember about this gun.Thanks for any and all help

drbuster · 04-08-2004, 10:59 PM

Where does one begin? You may have been misinformed about this luger by someone who also lacks the knowledge and experience. I guess one could begin by saying that this gun is NOT from the Netherlands, the crown/N is a commercial "nitro" proof. Dutch lugers had the word "RUST" stamped where the "GESICHERT" is (Safe in Dutch). On the front of the frame near the attachment of the barrel should be another full serial number, most probably with a lower case letter (the suffix) under it. If so, this gun is most probably the common 1920 commercial parabellum made by the thousands after WW1 by the Bankrupt German Government to gain revenue. The value of this piece is somewhere between $800-1500 depending on its condition. Any pictures?

Vlim · 04-09-2004, 08:15 AM

Playtag,

I agree with Herbert. The 'Rust' safety mark is something that is only found on Dutch lugers and your confusion probably comes from the crown/N proof on the side of the Dutch Luger pictured in John Walter's book.

Lugerdoc · 04-09-2004, 10:13 AM

PT, I think that the above price quoted is too high for a mismatched 1920 commerical, even in pristine condition. As a shooter it has a parts value of no more than $500. TH

John Sabato · 04-09-2004, 10:24 AM

I see my colleagues have passed you solid advice, but all overlooked the fact that this was your first post.

Welcome to the Lugerforum Lonnie!

playtag · 04-09-2004, 04:58 PM

Hello, And thank all you for your helpfull info,I have made arrangements to borrow the gun over the weekend to take some photos of it,Unfortunatly I'm unaware how to post pictures on a website,I would gladly send them to someone who would do me the huge favor of doing so. Hopefully the pictures will lead to more information about the gun and value.Thank al of you and Happy Easter!
Lonnie

Edward Tinker · 04-09-2004, 05:14 PM

Lonnie, if you go to http://forums.lugerforum.com/cgi-bin...;f=11;t=000072

this shows how to upload photos, if you still have problems, e-mail them to me.

Ed

Pete Ebbink · 05-24-2004, 04:39 PM

Hello Gerben...

Sent you a Private Message...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Vlim · 05-25-2004, 12:06 PM

Hi Pete,

Thanks, I have the info you offered.

04-08-2004, 09:28 PM	#1
playtag New User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pa. Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	P08 Luger Netherlands I have been put in an awkward position by a man I work with,I mentioned I would like to buy a luger and just so happened he had one he would sell,Not being at all knowledgeable on lugers.I need some info as well as a fair offer to give him for his pistol, It seems in very decent shape,apperance wise. It is a 9mm,It has wood grips,The barrel has a four digit serial number and a crown with an N under it. from the John Walter's book on lugers we determined it to be from the Netherlands,It has one common serial number on the majortiy of parts,however it does have some small parts that are of another two digit number.Under the safty it has the word,"GESICHERT". there is no date or letter on the top of the gun,It has one clip with a wood bottom on it with the gun.I have been told from another soure via email from same description that this was a comercial gun,rather then a military gun.I would like to be able to confirm or disprove this with any help.From the best of my knowledge this is all i can remember about this gun.Thanks for any and all help

04-09-2004, 10:13 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	PT, I think that the above price quoted is too high for a mismatched 1920 commerical, even in pristine condition. As a shooter it has a parts value of no more than $500. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

04-09-2004, 10:24 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I see my colleagues have passed you solid advice, but all overlooked the fact that this was your first post. Welcome to the Lugerforum Lonnie! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-09-2004, 05:14 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Lonnie, if you go to http://forums.lugerforum.com/cgi-bin...;f=11;t=000072 this shows how to upload photos, if you still have problems, e-mail them to me. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-08-2004, 10:59 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Where does one begin? You may have been misinformed about this luger by someone who also lacks the knowledge and experience. I guess one could begin by saying that this gun is NOT from the Netherlands, the crown/N is a commercial "nitro" proof. Dutch lugers had the word "RUST" stamped where the "GESICHERT" is (Safe in Dutch). On the front of the frame near the attachment of the barrel should be another full serial number, most probably with a lower case letter (the suffix) under it. If so, this gun is most probably the common 1920 commercial parabellum made by the thousands after WW1 by the Bankrupt German Government to gain revenue. The value of this piece is somewhere between $800-1500 depending on its condition. Any pictures?

04-09-2004, 08:15 AM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Playtag, I agree with Herbert. The 'Rust' safety mark is something that is only found on Dutch lugers and your confusion probably comes from the crown/N proof on the side of the Dutch Luger pictured in John Walter's book.

04-09-2004, 04:58 PM	#6
playtag New User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pa. Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, And thank all you for your helpfull info,I have made arrangements to borrow the gun over the weekend to take some photos of it,Unfortunatly I'm unaware how to post pictures on a website,I would gladly send them to someone who would do me the huge favor of doing so. Hopefully the pictures will lead to more information about the gun and value.Thank al of you and Happy Easter! Lonnie

05-24-2004, 04:39 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Gerben... Sent you a Private Message... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

05-25-2004, 12:06 PM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi Pete, Thanks, I have the info you offered.