Be back on Friday...

John Sabato · 04-21-2003, 06:13 PM

I will be away from the internet and email for a couple of days, but will be back on Friday... so don't panic if I don't respond to a message thread or Private message...

See you all on Friday.

-Your unpaid but vigilant Admin! Ed Tinker will be looking after things in my absence and I think that John D. is hovering close by for emergencies...

John D. · 04-22-2003, 12:59 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by John Sabato:
.....I think that John D. is hovering ......<hr /></blockquote>Well - when I overcome the "hovering" stage and graduate to "walking on water" - I'll sell tickets

"Hovering".... Sheeshhhh... Actually - I "lurk"

Best to all...!

John Sabato · 04-25-2003, 11:46 AM

As Arnold Swarzenagger said... "I'll be back!"... Well here I am... missing several hours of sleep but I am back at the switch...

My personal thanks to Ed Tinker and John D. for keeping watch over the forum while I was out of town. Thanks guys!

Edward Tinker · 04-25-2003, 01:30 PM

Glad you're back, this isn't that tough, just some watching every now and then.

But got to go to bed, since I have been up since you left...

Ronald Welch · 05-09-2003, 04:42 PM

John
A long time ago someone told me that the letter at the end of the Luger serial number was the month it was made,example a is jan. b is feb and ect. could this be correct?

Regards Ron Welch #877

John Sabato · 05-09-2003, 04:59 PM

Not likely Ron... the speed of production could far exceed that number...or even be below that number...

Generally, Most Luger reference books agree that they started the serial number sequences with 0001 and ended with 9999 for military Lugers and the suffix letter was how they distinguished what in what lot number they were produced...along with the year of production over the chamber and the makers mark on the toggle...

doing the numbering the way you have described it would severely limit the number of pistols that could be produced and would be a nightmare of coordinating the various producers so that the correct suffix was being used.

Ron Wood · 05-09-2003, 04:59 PM

Hi Ron,

The individual that told you that was misinformed or made it up. If that was true, you would never see a letter beyond "l", and there are lots of Lugers out there sometimes with letters clear up to "z". The small letter just indicates an increment of 10,000. So if you see a Luger with, for example, a serial number of 8875c, it actually equates to 38,875. Serial numbering started with 1 at the beginning of a model year and were numbered up to 9999 (sometimes 10000)then it started back at 1a and progressed trough the alphabet as far as the number of Lugers produced that year required. The process of starting at 1 was repeated again the next year. This applies to military Lugers. Commercial Lugers were sequentially numbered without the small letter.

Regards
Ron Wood

Sorry, I jumped in there and before I got my answer completed, John had already taken care of it. Apologies

John Sabato · 05-09-2003, 05:02 PM

Ron, I guess I beat you to the send reply button by a few microseconds!

No apologies are necessary...

Ronald Welch · 05-11-2003, 03:45 PM

Ron & John
Thanks so much for answering my question
We should have a Luger forum weekend and every one could bring a Luger, and we could have learning workshops and just have a great time.It would be great to meet you.
Ron Welch

Edward Tinker · 05-11-2003, 04:30 PM

Ron, since we live so far away, we can still do the same type of thing, just not as fun.

If every reader chose one of their Lugers, researched it, then wrote it up here in the appropriate section, it would be very informative! Just start a thread, and post your findings. Even an "average" Luger has a story. Research it, write it up and share pictures. Does not have to go into huge detail, just explain the basics of your Luger, its year of manufacture, who, how many were made, special proofs or markings on it, etc.

On a side note, I am always amazed when I see a very vague question, wanting some information on the board. It is as if they want us to guess what they want?

Ask, just ask the question, but put some detail into the question, so we know what you need to know. Everyone wants a three paragraph reply to their question, well give us a good basis to reply back.

04-21-2003, 06:13 PM	#1
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Be back on Friday... I will be away from the internet and email for a couple of days, but will be back on Friday... so don't panic if I don't respond to a message thread or Private message... See you all on Friday. -Your unpaid but vigilant Admin! Ed Tinker will be looking after things in my absence and I think that John D. is hovering close by for emergencies... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-22-2003, 12:59 AM	#2
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John Sabato: <strong>.....I think that John D. is hovering ......</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Well - when I overcome the "hovering" stage and graduate to "walking on water" - I'll sell tickets "Hovering".... Sheeshhhh... Actually - I "lurk" Best to all...!

04-25-2003, 11:46 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	As Arnold Swarzenagger said... "I'll be back!"... Well here I am... missing several hours of sleep but I am back at the switch... My personal thanks to Ed Tinker and John D. for keeping watch over the forum while I was out of town. Thanks guys! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-25-2003, 01:30 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Glad you're back, this isn't that tough, just some watching every now and then. But got to go to bed, since I have been up since you left... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-09-2003, 04:59 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Not likely Ron... the speed of production could far exceed that number...or even be below that number... Generally, Most Luger reference books agree that they started the serial number sequences with 0001 and ended with 9999 for military Lugers and the suffix letter was how they distinguished what in what lot number they were produced...along with the year of production over the chamber and the makers mark on the toggle... doing the numbering the way you have described it would severely limit the number of pistols that could be produced and would be a nightmare of coordinating the various producers so that the correct suffix was being used. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-09-2003, 04:42 PM	#5
Ronald Welch User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Matthews,N.C. Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John A long time ago someone told me that the letter at the end of the Luger serial number was the month it was made,example a is jan. b is feb and ect. could this be correct? Regards Ron Welch #877

05-09-2003, 04:59 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Hi Ron, The individual that told you that was misinformed or made it up. If that was true, you would never see a letter beyond "l", and there are lots of Lugers out there sometimes with letters clear up to "z". The small letter just indicates an increment of 10,000. So if you see a Luger with, for example, a serial number of 8875c, it actually equates to 38,875. Serial numbering started with 1 at the beginning of a model year and were numbered up to 9999 (sometimes 10000)then it started back at 1a and progressed trough the alphabet as far as the number of Lugers produced that year required. The process of starting at 1 was repeated again the next year. This applies to military Lugers. Commercial Lugers were sequentially numbered without the small letter. Regards Ron Wood Sorry, I jumped in there and before I got my answer completed, John had already taken care of it. Apologies __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-09-2003, 05:02 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Ron, I guess I beat you to the send reply button by a few microseconds! No apologies are necessary... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-11-2003, 03:45 PM	#9
Ronald Welch User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Matthews,N.C. Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron & John Thanks so much for answering my question We should have a Luger forum weekend and every one could bring a Luger, and we could have learning workshops and just have a great time.It would be great to meet you. Ron Welch

05-11-2003, 04:30 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Ron, since we live so far away, we can still do the same type of thing, just not as fun. If every reader chose one of their Lugers, researched it, then wrote it up here in the appropriate section, it would be very informative! Just start a thread, and post your findings. Even an "average" Luger has a story. Research it, write it up and share pictures. Does not have to go into huge detail, just explain the basics of your Luger, its year of manufacture, who, how many were made, special proofs or markings on it, etc. On a side note, I am always amazed when I see a very vague question, wanting some information on the board. It is as if they want us to guess what they want? Ask, just ask the question, but put some detail into the question, so we know what you need to know. Everyone wants a three paragraph reply to their question, well give us a good basis to reply back. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV