“Riff” Luger

vesuvio · 05-03-2023, 07:34 PM

Do they exist? How to tell if they are real.
It has a front adapter?

Dwight Gruber · 05-04-2023, 06:08 PM

Best peculation is that they became the military proofed, blank toggle t and u suffix Alphabet Commercial police pistols.

--Dwight

tomaustin · 05-04-2023, 06:20 PM

rare...?

or pick 'em up at your local grocery store...?

vesuvio · 06-30-2023, 07:47 PM

Here few pics

Vlim · 07-01-2023, 09:39 AM

These guns with unmarked toggles were indeed intended fpr an insurgent party in the middle East. The delivery was deemed too sensitive and the pistols were rerouted to German police forces.

Yours is a nice police marked example and it seems most of the rare magazine safety is still present.

The barrel insert is a 4mm M20 training barrel, allowing users to train indoors. It was not issued with the pistol.

grantman · 07-01-2023, 08:53 PM

Lugers destined for the Rif tribal rebellion in ....Algeria?

Vlim · 07-02-2023, 05:38 PM

Morocco.

reiver · 07-02-2023, 11:15 PM

In the mid 1980's ODA's from 5th SF Gp. 'assisted' the Moroccan Govt. against the Berber tribes known as the Polisario. I believe simply an extension of the Riff conflict that lasted decades. The Sahrawis had revolted and taken a few desert border towns.
We trained and 'assisted' Moroccan forces (created a Moroccan Commando unit) that took them back. Never even made the news in those days but it was an interesting extended deployment.

This is still going on today....

I may have to look for one of those pistols.

reiver · 07-03-2023, 01:04 PM

Is there a known serial # range or simply the unmarked toggle possible Police unit marking etc.?

Dwight Gruber · 07-04-2023, 04:02 AM

Intermixed Alphabet Commercial t and u suffix, blank toggle, right receiver army WaA66 acceptance (c/N civilian proof left receiver) or right receiver WaA66 acceptance and two other eagle proofs (various styles) without civilian c/N left receiver proof.

SPECULATION and it may be that the parts (blank toggles) themselves were prepared earlier for the failed Rif contract, but not actually used in assembly until approx. 1928.

--Dwight

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05-04-2023, 06:08 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Best peculation is that they became the military proofed, blank toggle t and u suffix Alphabet Commercial police pistols. --Dwight

05-04-2023, 06:20 PM	#3
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	rare...? or pick 'em up at your local grocery store...?

07-01-2023, 09:39 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	These guns with unmarked toggles were indeed intended fpr an insurgent party in the middle East. The delivery was deemed too sensitive and the pistols were rerouted to German police forces. Yours is a nice police marked example and it seems most of the rare magazine safety is still present. The barrel insert is a 4mm M20 training barrel, allowing users to train indoors. It was not issued with the pistol.

07-01-2023, 08:53 PM	#6
grantman User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Northern Idaho Posts: 84 Thanks: 2 Thanked 34 Times in 22 Posts	Lugers destined for the Rif tribal rebellion in ....Algeria?

07-02-2023, 05:38 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Morocco.

07-02-2023, 11:15 PM	#8
reiver User Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 132 Thanks: 81 Thanked 149 Times in 63 Posts	In the mid 1980's ODA's from 5th SF Gp. 'assisted' the Moroccan Govt. against the Berber tribes known as the Polisario. I believe simply an extension of the Riff conflict that lasted decades. The Sahrawis had revolted and taken a few desert border towns. We trained and 'assisted' Moroccan forces (created a Moroccan Commando unit) that took them back. Never even made the news in those days but it was an interesting extended deployment. This is still going on today.... I may have to look for one of those pistols.

07-03-2023, 01:04 PM	#9
reiver User Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 132 Thanks: 81 Thanked 149 Times in 63 Posts	Is there a known serial # range or simply the unmarked toggle possible Police unit marking etc.?

07-04-2023, 04:02 AM	#10
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Intermixed Alphabet Commercial t and u suffix, blank toggle, right receiver army WaA66 acceptance (c/N civilian proof left receiver) or right receiver WaA66 acceptance and two other eagle proofs (various styles) without civilian c/N left receiver proof. SPECULATION and it may be that the parts (blank toggles) themselves were prepared earlier for the failed Rif contract, but not actually used in assembly until approx. 1928. --Dwight