1900 AE, 1902AE, & 1906AE Questions

ViggoG · 06-22-2002, 10:23 PM

Wondering about a few of the great older ??? variations ?
Has any one determined the approximate number of these variations were manufactured. ?
What is the best estimate number wise ?
Would any one venture a (WAG) Wild --- Guess as to the number of these that exist as shooters ?
Would anyone care to assist me in possible determining how many are such by mailing me a email if you have or know of one ?
Just trying to find out how many of these fine variation are still around as shooters.
ViggoG
[email protected]

kidvett · 06-22-2002, 11:03 PM

Here's what I have located in Quebec, Canada:

1900 AE: 1 that I'm buying next Sunday as my birthday gift....was the only one located...

1902AE: none located...

1906AE: 3 located:
1 from a LUGER Collector
2 complete RIGS w/ Abercrombie & Fitch holsters....They are not for sale at the moment, but when they will be: I'm the first one on the list...
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kidvett [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Hugh · 06-23-2002, 01:13 AM

I have a 1900 Commercial that needs Ted's work & a 1900 AE, 1906 Commercial, & a 1906 Navy that have all been refinished. <img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" />

kidvett · 06-23-2002, 04:27 AM

Check PORTLAND GUNSHOW REPORT topic, a couple reported there... [img]smile.gif[/img]

kidvett

Joe · 06-23-2002, 02:24 PM

ViggoG,

According to Aarron Davis' "The Luger Handbook" (Ã?Â©1997), production for the three American Eagle Lugers you ask about are:

1900 AE: 6000-8000 Commercial, 1000 Military
1902 AE: 600-700 (50 "Cartridge Counters")
1906 AE: Less than 10000 9mm, over 10000 30 cal.

I am fortunate to have the first two Lugers in my collection and have pictures on my website. Here are links:

http://www.iwaynet.net/~jwsiv/Lugers/Pictures.htm

If by "shooter" you mean "cheap", these definitely aren't that but may be worth a look anyway. Good luck!

Dwight Gruber · 06-23-2002, 03:24 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Joe:

If by "shooter" you mean "cheap", these definitely aren't that but may be worth a look anyway. Good luck![/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Actually, I believe he is asking about "shooters" in the verb sense, rather than the adjectival, that is, guns which are still in use, being shot.

I've already told him about my 1900 American Eagle shot-out specimen, which I do occasionally take to the range.

--Dwight

Jerry Harris · 06-23-2002, 05:22 PM

I hope Joe won't mind my posting the following link to his archive containing pointers to Luger images of between 1 and 2 megabytes. On my monitor these render the guns over 20 inches long, in sharp detail, and are fascinating to examine! Joe's pix

Joe · 06-25-2002, 09:41 PM

Hi Jerry,

I don't mind your posting a link to my archive, but it may be easier to preview the "thumbnail" images here:

http://www.iwaynet.net/~jwsiv/Lugers/Pictures.htm

Do you also live in Ohio?

Jan C Still · 06-26-2002, 01:23 PM

ViggoG
In IMPERIAL LUGERS (1991) page 11, the production of DWM LUGERS in the commercial sn. range. 1900-1918 is estimated. The A.E. estimates are:

Model - No. Rep. - Est Prod.
1900 A.E. - 335 - 11,600
1900 A.E. test - 161 - 1,000
1902 A.E. - 84 - 860
1902 A.E. CC 9mm -30 - 50
1906 A.E. 7.65mm -261 - 13,900
1906 A.E. 9mm -191 - 9,400

These estimates were made over 12 years ago and better estimates may be available.
Jan

Joe · 06-30-2002, 10:06 AM

Mr. Still:

I have been questioned on categorizing my early commercial Luger collection as "Imperial." I've sited your book as basis for my claim. What does "Imperial" actually mean? Does the "Imperial Luger" umbrella only cover military pieces?

I bet AK is lovely this time of year. I was in Juneau in August 1993, and it was just wonderful! I've never seen such big beautfiul flowers. It's about time for Don R. to venture south...perhaps you could join him if he comes to Ohio.

Joe

Doubs · 06-30-2002, 12:21 PM

Yesterday evening I posted under "Unit Markings" about a 1906 AE I saw at a gun show near Atlanta. Mag was unnumbered wood base. It's a 9mm and everything I could see externally was matching BUT on close examination it was apparent that the side plate had at some point been refinished. The owner was asking $1,600.

Jan C Still · 06-30-2002, 03:25 PM

Joe
1871-1918 is known as the Second Reich or Imperial Germany. During 1900-1918 commercial Lugers were also produced by DWM.

While the book IMPERIAL LUGERS is primarly dedicated to German Military Lugers it also covers the DWM commercial serial Range, Bulgarian Lugers, and the 1900AE and 1902 AE CC American test Lugers.

This book is not am attempt to redefine the term Imperial. Your Lugers were produced in Imperial Germany and it that sense are certainally Imperial.
Jan

Ron Wood · 06-30-2002, 06:08 PM

Great definition Jan. I use the term Imperial Era Lugers to kind of sweep all of the early Lugers into that general category.

Joe · 06-30-2002, 10:41 PM

Jan -

Thanks for the clarification. I debated the broad classification for my collection; "Commercial" didn't seem to cover my 1900 Swiss or Test Eagle, but "Military" was out for my '02 and '08. "Imperial" seemed best at the time, and your comments reinforce that.

Besides having a father with one of the best Luger collections (YES, you know him well), I have gleened much of my knowledge of early Lugers using your book as reference. I want to sincerely thank you for your service to educate the Luger collecting community.

Joe

P.S. Ron, thank you too for your thoughts on this rather gray area (or was it salt blue?).

Jan C Still · 07-01-2002, 12:27 PM

Joe
Is Your dad named Doug
Without a doubt, the most complete and original collection of Lugers and rigs in the world.
Jan

Edward Tinker · 07-01-2002, 12:59 PM

Jan (and Joe), being relatively new to actually collecting and not just "having" Luger's, that statement of Jans as the most complete and ....

I am flabergasted, that must be some collection!

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Ron Wood · 07-01-2002, 01:54 PM

Joe, It is definately RUST blue. Remember what I always say: "If it is made after 1918, it is a reproduction." [img]wink.gif[/img]

06-22-2002, 10:23 PM	#1
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	1900 AE, 1902AE, & 1906AE Questions Wondering about a few of the great older ??? variations ? Has any one determined the approximate number of these variations were manufactured. ? What is the best estimate number wise ? Would any one venture a (WAG) Wild --- Guess as to the number of these that exist as shooters ? Would anyone care to assist me in possible determining how many are such by mailing me a email if you have or know of one ? Just trying to find out how many of these fine variation are still around as shooters. ViggoG [email protected]

06-23-2002, 01:13 AM	#3
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I have a 1900 Commercial that needs Ted's work & a 1900 AE, 1906 Commercial, & a 1906 Navy that have all been refinished. <img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

06-30-2002, 06:08 PM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Great definition Jan. I use the term Imperial Era Lugers to kind of sweep all of the early Lugers into that general category. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-01-2002, 12:59 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Jan (and Joe), being relatively new to actually collecting and not just "having" Luger's, that statement of Jans as the most complete and .... I am flabergasted, that must be some collection! [img]cool.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-01-2002, 01:54 PM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Joe, It is definately RUST blue. Remember what I always say: "If it is made after 1918, it is a reproduction." [img]wink.gif[/img] __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-22-2002, 11:03 PM	#2
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Here's what I have located in Quebec, Canada: 1900 AE: 1 that I'm buying next Sunday as my birthday gift....was the only one located... 1902AE: none located... 1906AE: 3 located: 1 from a LUGER Collector 2 complete RIGS w/ Abercrombie & Fitch holsters....They are not for sale at the moment, but when they will be: I'm the first one on the list... [img]wink.gif[/img] kidvett [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

06-23-2002, 04:27 AM	#4
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Check PORTLAND GUNSHOW REPORT topic, a couple reported there... [img]smile.gif[/img] kidvett

06-23-2002, 02:24 PM	#5
Joe User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ViggoG, According to Aarron Davis' "The Luger Handbook" (Ã?Â©1997), production for the three American Eagle Lugers you ask about are: 1900 AE: 6000-8000 Commercial, 1000 Military 1902 AE: 600-700 (50 "Cartridge Counters") 1906 AE: Less than 10000 9mm, over 10000 30 cal. I am fortunate to have the first two Lugers in my collection and have pictures on my website. Here are links: http://www.iwaynet.net/~jwsiv/Lugers/Pictures.htm If by "shooter" you mean "cheap", these definitely aren't that but may be worth a look anyway. Good luck!

06-23-2002, 03:24 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Joe: If by "shooter" you mean "cheap", these definitely aren't that but may be worth a look anyway. Good luck![/QB]<hr></blockquote> Actually, I believe he is asking about "shooters" in the verb sense, rather than the adjectival, that is, guns which are still in use, being shot. I've already told him about my 1900 American Eagle shot-out specimen, which I do occasionally take to the range. --Dwight

06-23-2002, 05:22 PM	#7
Jerry Harris User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 64 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I hope Joe won't mind my posting the following link to his archive containing pointers to Luger images of between 1 and 2 megabytes. On my monitor these render the guns over 20 inches long, in sharp detail, and are fascinating to examine! Joe's pix

06-25-2002, 09:41 PM	#8
Joe User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Jerry, I don't mind your posting a link to my archive, but it may be easier to preview the "thumbnail" images here: http://www.iwaynet.net/~jwsiv/Lugers/Pictures.htm Do you also live in Ohio?

06-26-2002, 01:23 PM	#9
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	ViggoG In IMPERIAL LUGERS (1991) page 11, the production of DWM LUGERS in the commercial sn. range. 1900-1918 is estimated. The A.E. estimates are: Model - No. Rep. - Est Prod. 1900 A.E. - 335 - 11,600 1900 A.E. test - 161 - 1,000 1902 A.E. - 84 - 860 1902 A.E. CC 9mm -30 - 50 1906 A.E. 7.65mm -261 - 13,900 1906 A.E. 9mm -191 - 9,400 These estimates were made over 12 years ago and better estimates may be available. Jan

06-30-2002, 10:06 AM	#10
Joe User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mr. Still: I have been questioned on categorizing my early commercial Luger collection as "Imperial." I've sited your book as basis for my claim. What does "Imperial" actually mean? Does the "Imperial Luger" umbrella only cover military pieces? I bet AK is lovely this time of year. I was in Juneau in August 1993, and it was just wonderful! I've never seen such big beautfiul flowers. It's about time for Don R. to venture south...perhaps you could join him if he comes to Ohio. Joe

06-30-2002, 12:21 PM	#11
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	Yesterday evening I posted under "Unit Markings" about a 1906 AE I saw at a gun show near Atlanta. Mag was unnumbered wood base. It's a 9mm and everything I could see externally was matching BUT on close examination it was apparent that the side plate had at some point been refinished. The owner was asking $1,600.

06-30-2002, 03:25 PM	#12
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Joe 1871-1918 is known as the Second Reich or Imperial Germany. During 1900-1918 commercial Lugers were also produced by DWM. While the book IMPERIAL LUGERS is primarly dedicated to German Military Lugers it also covers the DWM commercial serial Range, Bulgarian Lugers, and the 1900AE and 1902 AE CC American test Lugers. This book is not am attempt to redefine the term Imperial. Your Lugers were produced in Imperial Germany and it that sense are certainally Imperial. Jan

06-30-2002, 10:41 PM	#14
Joe User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jan - Thanks for the clarification. I debated the broad classification for my collection; "Commercial" didn't seem to cover my 1900 Swiss or Test Eagle, but "Military" was out for my '02 and '08. "Imperial" seemed best at the time, and your comments reinforce that. Besides having a father with one of the best Luger collections (YES, you know him well), I have gleened much of my knowledge of early Lugers using your book as reference. I want to sincerely thank you for your service to educate the Luger collecting community. Joe P.S. Ron, thank you too for your thoughts on this rather gray area (or was it salt blue?).

07-01-2002, 12:27 PM	#15
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Joe Is Your dad named Doug Without a doubt, the most complete and original collection of Lugers and rigs in the world. Jan