Unkown maker\date on a P.38 holster

wayne8661 · 05-07-2016, 04:14 PM

I landed a period hard shell P.38 holster today. On the reverse is a waffenamt
But no P.38 stamp or not maker mark\date?

Anyone famikiar with this configuration?

I wilk post some photos tonight after i put the kids in bed

Wayne

wayne8661 · 05-07-2016, 04:30 PM

Possibly a zero series?

lugerholsterrepair · 05-08-2016, 01:18 AM

Might be a P-39

spacecoast · 05-08-2016, 08:11 AM

Some of those P38 stamps are very, very light.

wayne8661 · 05-08-2016, 09:23 AM

Upon closer inspection I believe it is a P.39
It had the lifting strap removed as I can see the holes on the top of the flap where
The stitching had been. I do not see any p.39 stamps inside the holster though.

Damn guess Ill have to buy a CZ38 now.

Some of the stitching is missing and it's far from pristine but still
A solid holster.

How hard to find are these holsters?

wayne8661 · 05-08-2016, 09:27 AM

I will put some photos on today. I guess there is still a possibility that it is
A P.38 holster I'll need the experts help to determine.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-08-2016, 02:00 PM

Check the width of the magazine pouch. P 39's are a different size.

wayne8661 · 05-08-2016, 02:58 PM

Okay Here are a few photos

wayne8661 · 05-08-2016, 03:10 PM

Jerry P.38 Mag slips in easily Here are a couple of Photos

wayne8661 · 05-08-2016, 03:14 PM

Here is an overall Pic and one photo showing where the lifting strap was either removed or broken.
No remnants of the strap remain.

wayne8661 · 05-08-2016, 03:17 PM

And finally the holster with a P38 in it
I apologize for the quality of the pics I havent set up a decent spot to take pics yet.

W

wayne8661 · 05-08-2016, 03:42 PM

Okay Looking at this in Brite light from different angles I have found the Oaklef with 9 Maker mark.

wayne8661 · 05-08-2016, 03:50 PM

Here is a photo its very faint it is there though I can also make out partial date 194?

wayne8661 · 05-09-2016, 08:57 AM

Sorry to be in such a hurry to ask for help. The answers were there in front of me the whole time.
Just needed some time away from the toddlers to sort it out myself.

The date is 1943 and the maker mark is the the Oakleaf with 9 inside a bearskin.

Still no P.38 stamping though

W

jrwinter44 · 05-15-2016, 05:56 PM

Picked up a P.38 hardshell a couple of Tulsa shows ago marked cgu 40 and Waffen Amted 47. Tt's not for a CZ 38 and never had anything but a P.38 in it. The underlying brown color is showing through the black dye but otherwise, it's complete and solid. Haven't had one this early in a good ten years. Of course, it isn't stamped P.38.

MP38 · 10-29-2016, 08:35 PM

Wayne,

The maker mark on your holster, the "bearskin/oakleaf/9" is for Christof Neuner, Klagenfurt. The waffenampt should be "WaA938."

Neuner used this WaA number from 1942-1943.
In 1941, they used WaA757. This maker did make P39t holsters as well, but they were dated 1940, and used "WaA757."

Matt

05-07-2016, 04:14 PM	#1
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Unkown maker\date on a P.38 holster I landed a period hard shell P.38 holster today. On the reverse is a waffenamt But no P.38 stamp or not maker mark\date? Anyone famikiar with this configuration? I wilk post some photos tonight after i put the kids in bed Wayne

05-08-2016, 01:18 AM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Might be a P-39 __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-08-2016, 02:00 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Check the width of the magazine pouch. P 39's are a different size. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-08-2016, 02:58 PM	#8
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Okay Here are a few photos Attached Thumbnails

05-08-2016, 03:10 PM	#9
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Jerry P.38 Mag slips in easily Here are a couple of Photos Attached Thumbnails

05-07-2016, 04:30 PM	#2
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Possibly a zero series?

05-08-2016, 08:11 AM	#4
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	Some of those P38 stamps are very, very light.

05-08-2016, 09:23 AM	#5
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Upon closer inspection I believe it is a P.39 It had the lifting strap removed as I can see the holes on the top of the flap where The stitching had been. I do not see any p.39 stamps inside the holster though. Damn guess Ill have to buy a CZ38 now. Some of the stitching is missing and it's far from pristine but still A solid holster. How hard to find are these holsters?

05-08-2016, 09:27 AM	#6
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	I will put some photos on today. I guess there is still a possibility that it is A P.38 holster I'll need the experts help to determine.

05-08-2016, 03:14 PM	#10
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Here is an overall Pic and one photo showing where the lifting strap was either removed or broken. No remnants of the strap remain. Attached Thumbnails

05-08-2016, 03:17 PM	#11
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	And finally the holster with a P38 in it I apologize for the quality of the pics I havent set up a decent spot to take pics yet. W Attached Thumbnails

05-08-2016, 03:42 PM	#12
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Okay Looking at this in Brite light from different angles I have found the Oaklef with 9 Maker mark.

05-08-2016, 03:50 PM	#13
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Here is a photo its very faint it is there though I can also make out partial date 194? Attached Thumbnails

05-09-2016, 08:57 AM	#14
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Sorry to be in such a hurry to ask for help. The answers were there in front of me the whole time. Just needed some time away from the toddlers to sort it out myself. The date is 1943 and the maker mark is the the Oakleaf with 9 inside a bearskin. Still no P.38 stamping though W

05-15-2016, 05:56 PM	#15
jrwinter44 User Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 21 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Picked up a P.38 hardshell a couple of Tulsa shows ago marked cgu 40 and Waffen Amted 47. Tt's not for a CZ 38 and never had anything but a P.38 in it. The underlying brown color is showing through the black dye but otherwise, it's complete and solid. Haven't had one this early in a good ten years. Of course, it isn't stamped P.38.

10-29-2016, 08:35 PM	#16
MP38 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 464 Thanks: 36 Thanked 113 Times in 60 Posts	Wayne, The maker mark on your holster, the "bearskin/oakleaf/9" is for Christof Neuner, Klagenfurt. The waffenampt should be "WaA938." Neuner used this WaA number from 1942-1943. In 1941, they used WaA757. This maker did make P39t holsters as well, but they were dated 1940, and used "WaA757." Matt