1914 Erfurt Question

Dave Sanders · 12-10-2017, 12:24 AM

I have a friend who picked this up a while back. I wondered what the heck is with the barrel piece. Any ideas about what it is or purpose?
Dave

DavidJayUden · 12-10-2017, 12:29 AM

How's it look inside?
dju

Dave Sanders · 12-10-2017, 12:44 AM

I just looked without a light using my fingernail as a reflector, but couldn't see anything blatantly abnormal. He said he has shot it and it shot fine.

Edward Tinker · 12-10-2017, 02:27 AM

Is it a repair or a discoloration?

is it a repair from a bulged barrel?

Ed

Dave Sanders · 12-10-2017, 03:12 AM

I sure don't know. It seems to be flush. I couldn't tell if it was an added on piece or whet. The barrel sn matches the gun, so it isn't a replaced barrel. I wondered if anyone here has seen something like it. I sure can't figure it out.
Dave

hayhugh · 12-10-2017, 03:14 AM

How long is the barrel OAL?

Dave Sanders · 12-10-2017, 03:52 AM

I will have the guy measure it. I didn't think of it until I got home.

sheepherder · 12-10-2017, 10:20 AM

It's a Bubba-fied Luger. Possibly an added-on sleeve to 'repair' a damaged artillery sight dovetail, but the braze is inexcusable.

Trashed about $350 worth of artillery sight plus whatever the barrel might be worth...Not much, by the looks of it...

Please post pics.

DonVoigt · 12-10-2017, 10:36 AM

I agree with Rich, bubba at work.
Looks like someone didn't like the artillery sight and turned down the front half of the base.
Then perhaps someone else decided to repair it; and we see the pitiful results.

Why? There is just no explaining "bubba's" ideas.

wlyon · 12-10-2017, 10:47 AM

Probably worked for him. In the day these were cheap and plentiful. In 1962 I sold an all matching including mag. 41byf with holster for $40. And it was difficult to find a buyer. Bill

sheepherder · 12-10-2017, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Looks like someone didn't like the artillery sight and turned down the front half of the base.
Then perhaps someone else decided to repair it; and we see the pitiful results.

The 'repair' sleeve appears to be an unbroken 'O' shape (rather than a slip-over 'U') so my guess would be that the front sight has been altered in some way as well. Maybe cut off to fit the sleeve and brazed on afterward.

Eugene makes his Luger carbine rear sight [barrel] bases in the 'U' shape and then silver-solders them in place. My WAG - Much easier and less work than the 'O' bases.

But I'd be interested in more pics. There is always a nugget of information in any alteration, even if it is a negative one...

Dave Sanders · 12-10-2017, 05:36 PM

I will try to get to his place and get some more pictures. It may not be till next week. Thanks for the comments so far.
Dave

cirelaw · 12-10-2017, 07:00 PM

Yik!

JTD · 12-10-2017, 09:42 PM

my guess is it was turned for some type of scope ring, and repaired at a later date on the workbench in the garage........

gunbugs · 12-10-2017, 11:42 PM

And we use the term "repair" loosely. "Hacked" would be a more fitting term.

John Sabato · 12-11-2017, 10:27 AM

"Hacked" is too polite a term... in this instance the only word I can use to describe the work done to this Luger is "butchered"... What a shame.

Sieger · 12-11-2017, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wlyon

Probably worked for him. In the day these were cheap and plentiful. In 1962 I sold an all matching including mag. 41byf with holster for $40. And it was difficult to find a buyer. Bill

Bill,

One ounce of Gold was worth $35 in 1962, so $40 for a used German Luger was quite a bit back then.

Sieger

Dave Sanders · 12-13-2017, 12:53 AM

I had the guy with the gun send me a couple of pictures of the barrel and front sight. I hope they come out on here ok as they are from a phone picture. Also, he said the length of the barrel is 7 3/4.I can't see that the front sight has been removed as was earlier suggested.

Lugerdoc · 12-13-2017, 12:49 PM

Dave, These LPO8s with barrels of less than 8"s (around 7&1/2") are normally a result of the original fine tune front sight being frozen up and the post WW1 repair consisted of cutting off the barrel at the rear of the front sight base. The front of barrel was then turn down to accept a standard non-adjustable front sight and base. TH

DonVoigt · 12-13-2017, 01:25 PM

Guy probably just doesn't know how to measure the barrel or read the ruler!
That one still has the adjustable front sight.

12-10-2017, 12:24 AM	#1
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	1914 Erfurt Question I have a friend who picked this up a while back. I wondered what the heck is with the barrel piece. Any ideas about what it is or purpose? Dave Attached Thumbnails

12-10-2017, 10:20 AM	#8
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	It's a Bubba-fied Luger. Possibly an added-on sleeve to 'repair' a damaged artillery sight dovetail, but the braze is inexcusable. Trashed about $350 worth of artillery sight plus whatever the barrel might be worth...Not much, by the looks of it... Please post pics. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

12-10-2017, 10:36 AM	#9
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	I agree with Rich, bubba at work. Looks like someone didn't like the artillery sight and turned down the front half of the base. Then perhaps someone else decided to repair it; and we see the pitiful results. Why? There is just no explaining "bubba's" ideas. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

12-10-2017, 10:47 AM	#10
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	Probably worked for him. In the day these were cheap and plentiful. In 1962 I sold an all matching including mag. 41byf with holster for $40. And it was difficult to find a buyer. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

12-11-2017, 10:27 AM	#16
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	"Hacked" is too polite a term... in this instance the only word I can use to describe the work done to this Luger is "butchered"... What a shame. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-10-2017, 12:29 AM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	How's it look inside? dju

12-10-2017, 12:44 AM	#3
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	I just looked without a light using my fingernail as a reflector, but couldn't see anything blatantly abnormal. He said he has shot it and it shot fine.

12-10-2017, 02:27 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Is it a repair or a discoloration? is it a repair from a bulged barrel? Ed

12-10-2017, 03:12 AM	#5
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	I sure don't know. It seems to be flush. I couldn't tell if it was an added on piece or whet. The barrel sn matches the gun, so it isn't a replaced barrel. I wondered if anyone here has seen something like it. I sure can't figure it out. Dave

12-10-2017, 03:14 AM	#6
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	How long is the barrel OAL?

12-10-2017, 03:52 AM	#7
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	I will have the guy measure it. I didn't think of it until I got home.

12-10-2017, 05:36 PM	#12
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	I will try to get to his place and get some more pictures. It may not be till next week. Thanks for the comments so far. Dave

12-10-2017, 07:00 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Yik!

12-10-2017, 09:42 PM	#14
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	my guess is it was turned for some type of scope ring, and repaired at a later date on the workbench in the garage........

12-10-2017, 11:42 PM	#15
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 660 Thanks: 366 Thanked 1,179 Times in 395 Posts	And we use the term "repair" loosely. "Hacked" would be a more fitting term.

12-13-2017, 12:53 AM	#18
Dave Sanders User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hamer, Idaho Posts: 283 Thanks: 26 Thanked 43 Times in 22 Posts	I had the guy with the gun send me a couple of pictures of the barrel and front sight. I hope they come out on here ok as they are from a phone picture. Also, he said the length of the barrel is 7 3/4.I can't see that the front sight has been removed as was earlier suggested. Attached Thumbnails

12-13-2017, 12:49 PM	#19
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Dave, These LPO8s with barrels of less than 8"s (around 7&1/2") are normally a result of the original fine tune front sight being frozen up and the post WW1 repair consisted of cutting off the barrel at the rear of the front sight base. The front of barrel was then turn down to accept a standard non-adjustable front sight and base. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

12-13-2017, 01:25 PM	#20
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Guy probably just doesn't know how to measure the barrel or read the ruler! That one still has the adjustable front sight. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie