GERMANY halo survey

Dwight Gruber · 02-10-2022, 12:37 PM

A few years ago Pete Ebbink explored the occurrences of halo surrounding the front-frame GERMANY stamp on U.S. import commercial Lugers. Regrettably, this resource is no longer available to us.

I have begun to resurrect this study in a survey to determine if there are patterns in these occurrences, if there are correspondences with occurrences of American Eagle stamps with halo, and if this can reveal anything about import practices of Luger pistols.

I would appreciate if any of you who have Lugers of any variation with the GERMANY front-frame export stamp would report your information here:

Serial number
GERMANY haloed or no
American Eagle haloed or no
Absence of AE, i.e., a standard commercial model
Proof stamp, if present

If you prefer not to present your information publicly, please email me [email protected].

You all have been a great deal of assistance in the past, and I thank everyone in advance for this information.

--Dwight

mrerick · 02-10-2022, 01:10 PM

Serial number: DWM Alphabet Commercial 7053m
GERMANY haloed
Standard commercial model
Proof stamp: Crown/N

sdmark777 · 02-10-2022, 06:07 PM

1900 American Eagle
Ser. # 10848
"Germany" Halo-Yes
"American Eagle" Halo-No
Proofs-none

1906 American Eagle (9mm)
Ser. # 38198
"Germany" Halo-No
"American Eagle" Halo-No
Proofs-None

HerrKaiser · 02-10-2022, 08:23 PM

Standard DWM 1920 Commercial. .30 caliber, 3 and 13/16ths barrel
Serial: 80395
Germany Halo: Yes
American Eagle Halo: N/A
Proofs: Upright C/N. Also has a halo

wlyon · 02-11-2022, 12:20 PM

Hi Dwight
I sent this to you by email but here it is again. Bill
!. Serial number 36225
2.Germany halo No
3. AE halo No
$ AE present
5. No proofs

gunbugs · 02-12-2022, 07:53 PM

1900 AE
1. Serial number 15258
2.Germany halo: Yes
3.AE halo: no
4.AE present
5. No proofs

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1644709924

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1644709811

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1644709811

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1644709811

Heinz · 02-13-2022, 10:08 AM

Dwight, here is the halo on the Germany stamp on my 3992 l with a vertical Crown N

sheepherder · 02-13-2022, 12:00 PM

Serial number: 13246
GERMANY haloed or no: yes
American Eagle haloed or no: possibly
Absence of AE, i.e., a standard commercial model: ???
Proof stamp, if present: no

Pics attached. Additional info: flat-top breechblock; scalloped toggles; toggle lock; full-width grip safety; full-width trigger guard; 7.65mm x 120mm bbl; no proofs or acceptance stamps; serials + germany only markings; no stock lug; no 'gesichert' under safety lever.

I can not tell if the eagle has a halo; it may only be the slightly-rounded edges of the roll-stamping reflecting the light. Halo on germany is better viewed under less magnification.

Appears to be standard export model. IIRC, I looked in someone's database some years ago and decided it may be of 1902 manufacture...Bought from/with help of, Floyd at Simpsons...

Edit: The more I look at the eagle, the more I think it is haloed...

ithacaartist · 02-14-2022, 07:46 PM

06 AE
SN 66670
GERMANY halo - no
AE halo - no
lazy c/N proof

06 AE
SN 29248
GERMANY halo - no
AE halo - no
BUG proofs

Dwight Gruber · 02-17-2022, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

BUG proofs

Is this really c/BUG proofed? It is in the lazy c/N range, and listed as such in the Commercial Database.

--Dwight

ithacaartist · 02-17-2022, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

Is this really c/BUG proofed? It is in the lazy c/N range, and listed as such in the Commercial Database.

--Dwight

Mea culpa, Dwight. My other Commercial Luger is a M1900, and I apparently had a "senior moment" and mistakenly transposed its proof info with the #66670 AE's. Corrected now in my post, thanks for the heads-up. (The M1900 has a blank chamber and no GERMANY import mark.)

jeb111 · 02-20-2022, 12:56 PM

06 AE
Serial # 47897
Germany halo-no
AE halo-no
Halo serial #-yes
B.U.G. Marked

Jim

Dwight Gruber · 02-20-2022, 04:56 PM

Jim,

.30, or 9mm?

--Dwight

jeb111 · 02-20-2022, 05:27 PM

sorry .30 cal

Dwight Gruber · 02-21-2022, 03:45 AM

No worries, new Database entry.

--Dwight

Doug G. · 02-23-2022, 12:32 AM

Will add more later, here are my 1900 AE's?

Roadster 02 · 05-03-2023, 11:20 PM

1900AE
Serial 18838
Germany Halo - YES
AE Halo - NO
Serial Halo - NO
Proofs - NO

idler · 05-04-2023, 09:19 AM

1900 ae
89xx
halo on germany stamp, no halo on eagle stamp
no proof

02-10-2022, 12:37 PM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	GERMANY halo survey A few years ago Pete Ebbink explored the occurrences of halo surrounding the front-frame GERMANY stamp on U.S. import commercial Lugers. Regrettably, this resource is no longer available to us. I have begun to resurrect this study in a survey to determine if there are patterns in these occurrences, if there are correspondences with occurrences of American Eagle stamps with halo, and if this can reveal anything about import practices of Luger pistols. I would appreciate if any of you who have Lugers of any variation with the GERMANY front-frame export stamp would report your information here: Serial number GERMANY haloed or no American Eagle haloed or no Absence of AE, i.e., a standard commercial model Proof stamp, if present If you prefer not to present your information publicly, please email me [email protected]. You all have been a great deal of assistance in the past, and I thank everyone in advance for this information. --Dwight

02-10-2022, 01:10 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Serial number: DWM Alphabet Commercial 7053m GERMANY haloed Standard commercial model Proof stamp: Crown/N Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-10-2022, 06:07 PM	#3
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	1900 American Eagle Ser. # 10848 "Germany" Halo-Yes "American Eagle" Halo-No Proofs-none 1906 American Eagle (9mm) Ser. # 38198 "Germany" Halo-No "American Eagle" Halo-No Proofs-None Attached Thumbnails

02-10-2022, 08:23 PM	#4
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	Standard DWM 1920 Commercial. .30 caliber, 3 and 13/16ths barrel Serial: 80395 Germany Halo: Yes American Eagle Halo: N/A Proofs: Upright C/N. Also has a halo Attached Thumbnails __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

02-11-2022, 12:20 PM	#5
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	Germany halo survey Hi Dwight I sent this to you by email but here it is again. Bill !. Serial number 36225 2.Germany halo No 3. AE halo No $ AE present 5. No proofs __________________ Bill Lyon

02-12-2022, 07:53 PM	#6
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 660 Thanks: 366 Thanked 1,179 Times in 395 Posts	1900 AE 1. Serial number 15258 2.Germany halo: Yes 3.AE halo: no 4.AE present 5. No proofs http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1644709924 http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1644709811 http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1644709811 http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1644709811 Attached Thumbnails

02-13-2022, 10:08 AM	#7
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Dwight, here is the halo on the Germany stamp on my 3992 l with a vertical Crown N Attached Thumbnails

02-13-2022, 12:00 PM	#8
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Serial number: 13246 GERMANY haloed or no: yes American Eagle haloed or no: possibly Absence of AE, i.e., a standard commercial model: ??? Proof stamp, if present: no Pics attached. Additional info: flat-top breechblock; scalloped toggles; toggle lock; full-width grip safety; full-width trigger guard; 7.65mm x 120mm bbl; no proofs or acceptance stamps; serials + germany only markings; no stock lug; no 'gesichert' under safety lever. I can not tell if the eagle has a halo; it may only be the slightly-rounded edges of the roll-stamping reflecting the light. Halo on germany is better viewed under less magnification. Appears to be standard export model. IIRC, I looked in someone's database some years ago and decided it may be of 1902 manufacture...Bought from/with help of, Floyd at Simpsons... Edit: The more I look at the eagle, the more I think it is haloed... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter... Last edited by sheepherder; 02-13-2022 at 07:27 PM.

02-14-2022, 07:46 PM	#9
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	06 AE SN 66670 GERMANY halo - no AE halo - no lazy c/N proof 06 AE SN 29248 GERMANY halo - no AE halo - no BUG proofs __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

02-20-2022, 12:56 PM	#12
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 712 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	06 AE Serial # 47897 Germany halo-no AE halo-no Halo serial #-yes B.U.G. Marked Jim

02-20-2022, 04:56 PM	#13
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Jim, .30, or 9mm? --Dwight

02-20-2022, 05:27 PM	#14
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 712 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	sorry .30 cal Last edited by jeb111; 02-20-2022 at 06:18 PM. Reason: wrong response

02-21-2022, 03:45 AM	#15
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	No worries, new Database entry. --Dwight

02-23-2022, 12:32 AM	#16
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Will add more later, here are my 1900 AE's? __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

05-03-2023, 11:20 PM	#17
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	1900AE Serial 18838 Germany Halo - YES AE Halo - NO Serial Halo - NO Proofs - NO Last edited by Roadster 02; 06-09-2023 at 12:11 PM.

05-04-2023, 09:19 AM	#18
idler User Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	1900 ae 1900 ae 89xx halo on germany stamp, no halo on eagle stamp no proof