Ku BYF 41 Dated Luger

John D. · 03-18-2004, 06:29 PM

Hello Gerben,

First - excellent post.... My thanks.....

I've been thinking about your post throughout the day - and first, I will say I reject KÃ?Â¼stenfliegerstaffeln (Coastal Units), KÃ?Â¼stenfliegergruppen and Krieghoff (Kufstein Factory association) with the same degree of skepticism.

However - I am aware of the Hungarian Airforce, but thought they were under the same Versailles sanctions as Germany from the onset (and began rearming in secret in 1937). However, I thought their aircraft were depleted in 1941 (Operation Barbarossa) and previous to that wasn't terribly effective or active - given the small number of aircraft (which wasn't of a significant size until 1941)?

But to your point - in mid/late 1942 (I'll have to check my notes), Hungary restocked with primarily Luftwaffe equipment. As well, as you probably know (but I'm posting for those who do not) - I believe Germany set up aircraft production facilities in Hungary in late 1942 (as the final assembly point). I thought it was only the factory that was under German control, rather then the Hungarian Air Force? However - since the factories are a matter of record, your comments/theory may have quite a bit of validity - certainly enough to pursue - and frankly - is very plausible!

As well - I thought - and could be wrong - the Hungarian Air Force was not placed under German control until 1944, when they retreated back into Germany? If that's correct, then could the LA stamp been applied, or the LA stamp utilizied, as the Hungarien Air Force Acceptance (without association to the German Luftwaffe)? On the other hand, if they were under German control - it's as valid a stamp referenced as Luftwaffe.

So - some other questions are:

Did Konichlich Ungarian E.S.M. have any stamps which may be viewed "unique" on their other components produced?

Why would Konichlich Ungarian be condensed to "KÃ?Â¼" rather then KU? I'm not certain which would be proper?

Excellent post.... I rarely tuck a post into the back of my mind at the beginning of the day - to consider it throughout. Yours is such a post...

My thanks!!

03-18-2004, 06:29 PM	#21
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hello Gerben, First - excellent post.... My thanks..... I've been thinking about your post throughout the day - and first, I will say I reject KÃ?Â¼stenfliegerstaffeln (Coastal Units), KÃ?Â¼stenfliegergruppen and Krieghoff (Kufstein Factory association) with the same degree of skepticism. However - I am aware of the Hungarian Airforce, but thought they were under the same Versailles sanctions as Germany from the onset (and began rearming in secret in 1937). However, I thought their aircraft were depleted in 1941 (Operation Barbarossa) and previous to that wasn't terribly effective or active - given the small number of aircraft (which wasn't of a significant size until 1941)? But to your point - in mid/late 1942 (I'll have to check my notes), Hungary restocked with primarily Luftwaffe equipment. As well, as you probably know (but I'm posting for those who do not) - I believe Germany set up aircraft production facilities in Hungary in late 1942 (as the final assembly point). I thought it was only the factory that was under German control, rather then the Hungarian Air Force? However - since the factories are a matter of record, your comments/theory may have quite a bit of validity - certainly enough to pursue - and frankly - is very plausible! As well - I thought - and could be wrong - the Hungarian Air Force was not placed under German control until 1944, when they retreated back into Germany? If that's correct, then could the LA stamp been applied, or the LA stamp utilizied, as the Hungarien Air Force Acceptance (without association to the German Luftwaffe)? On the other hand, if they were under German control - it's as valid a stamp referenced as Luftwaffe. So - some other questions are: Did Konichlich Ungarian E.S.M. have any stamps which may be viewed "unique" on their other components produced? Why would Konichlich Ungarian be condensed to "KÃ?Â¼" rather then KU? I'm not certain which would be proper? Excellent post.... I rarely tuck a post into the back of my mind at the beginning of the day - to consider it throughout. Yours is such a post... My thanks!!