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Unread 08-22-2001, 05:35 PM   #1
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Default Who knows all the Luger producers ?

Just issued, our last Ebook on the Luger pistol.


"The Luger Producers" is closing our series on the subject.


Four Luger Ebooks are now available in our site.


Find them all at the url : http://users.skynet.be/HL-Editions/ebook/liste01.htm


Content of our last Ebook :


Luger pistol producers

- Who produced Luger pistols

- German Map with locations


Erfurt Lugers - Historic details

- The arsenal's origin

- The production strategy

- From Erfurt to ERMA

- Detailed production board


Markings on Erfurt Lugers

- Three types of crowns can be found

- A host of various control stamps

- The Crowned RC, standing for "Revisions Commission"

- A Crowned P marking

- Unit markings are also found


An Erfurt Luger back from East Germany

- An ERFURT Luger that had a very long service life

- The pistol was drafted into service in East Germany

- The pistol was modified during the thirties

- New proof markings were applied

- A unit marking which relates to the D�¼sseldorf Police

- The police administrative district codes


The Royal Spandau Arsenal

- Initially, Spandau was a fortress

- DWM Lugers were checked by Spandau inspectors

- Lugers whose toggle was struck with a Spandau crowned logo

- The so-called "production" is estimated at about 200 pistols

- If all of these pieces are not fakes ...


The Vickers Lugers

- Vickers & Co.which was founded at Sheffield (England) in 1823

- An activity, oriented toward war battleship building

- Vickers was to handle a Dutch contract for Luger pistols

- These Lugers were proofed under English law

- The English firearms regulation


The Simson Lugers

- The firm SIMSON & Co, Waffenfabrik , Suhl, Thuringia

- Simson acquired the ERFURT arsenal machinery

- The rework of the pistols still available in remaining inventories

- Simson Lugers were very similar to ERFURT's

- The Simson markings

- A total Luger production estimated at around 25,000 pistols

- The "Simson & Co" marking replaced by a single "S"

- In 1934, the firm was dismantled by the Nazis


Krieghoff Lugers - Historic details

- In 1886, Ludwig Krieghoff founded a sporting guns factory

- Ludwig had two sons named Ludwig Jr. and Heinrich

- The "HEINRICH KRIEGHOFF WAFFENFABRIK"

- Among its military oriented projects was a semi-automatic rifle

- The H. Krieghoff company commercialized DWM Lugers

- The rear face of the frame struck "KRIEGHOFF SUHL"

- An order of 10,000 Luger pistols for the "Luftwaffe"

- Luger production means were tooled by the firm's engineers

- Only Krieghoff Lugers bear "Luftwaffe" acceptance markings

- A small quantity of Lugers sold on the commercial market

- Today the firm KRIEGHOFF is based at ULM


Krieghoff Lugers - Military production

- It only represents a total of some 13,825 pieces

- The "G" and "S" chamber codes

- Military production figures detailed by serial ranges

- The original contract of 10,000 pieces

- The 1940 production

- The complementary 1940 - 1944 production

- The last delivery of 1944 - 45


Krieghoff Lugers - Commercial production

- A capital "P" prefix letter along with the serial number

- Commercial production figures detailed by serial ranges

- Production figures detailed by serial ranges

- The first group, from P1 to P999

- The second group includes some fifty pistols

- The last group begins with serial number P1060 until P1280

- When the Krieghoff's plant was "liberated" by the US troops

- The Krieghoff made Lugers are easily identified

- A "fzs" code was given to Krieghoff


Krieghoff Military Production Markings

- The inspectors were accredited by the "Luftwaffe"

- The inspection process covered two stages

- The problem of incorrect headspace

- A four or five pointed star rejection mark

- Aside from the "Luftwaffe" acceptance markings

- The still mysterious "K�¼" Lugers

- The LA or ZA or LZA marking


Mauser - Historic details

- The Mauser legacy began in the modest circumstances

- The brothers, Paul and Wilhelm Mauser

- Their rifle officially adopted as the "Infanteriegewehr Modell 1871"

- The Mauser brothers founded their first factory, in 1872

- Around 1875, the Mauser company began to develop a revolver

- The semi-automatic pistol had appeared on the scene

- The pistol was called the "C96"

- The 1907-1914 era : A growing interest for small caliber pistols

- On May 30, 1922, the company's name was changed

- In 1932, a new model, sometimes called the "712", was launched

- In 1937, a new model appeared : The Hsc


Mauser Lugers - Commercial production

- During the years 1930 through 1934

- The serial suffix letters : "s"," t" and "u"

- An order by the firm A. F. Stoeger, of New York

- Stoeger sole agent for DWM's after Hans Tauscher had left

- The Jewish firm "ELECTRIC COMPANY OF ISRAEL"

- The major part of the production delivered to German Police

- Dates codes like "K"(1934), "G" (1935)

- Commercial production figures by serial ranges and customers


Mauser Lugers - Commercial Foreign Contracts

- The Portuguese Lugers

- The Latvian Lugers

- The Dutch Lugers

- The Siamese Lugers

- The Swedish Lugers

- The Turkish Lugers

- The Persian Lugers

- Commercial Lugers 1934/06


Mauser Military Lugers

- Military production figures by serial ranges and markings

- The Lugers S/42 (K)

- The Lugers S/42 (G)

- The Lugers S/42 (1936 - 1939)

- The Lugers 42 (1939-1940)

- The last variations "byf" 41 and 42


The Last Mauser Lugers

- The last -1942- Mauser Luger

- The Luger "byf / 42" serial nummer 3061n

- An entwined "RW" marking

- Recent Mauser production


Current Lugers prices and Bibliography

- B&B Auction - August 1993

- Many specific books


Our site url : http://users.skynet.be/HL-Editions/






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Unread 08-22-2001, 06:03 PM   #2
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Default Welcome Gerard to the Lugerforum

I know I am not speaking only for myself when I tell you that we are honored that you would visit our Lugerforum.


I own all three of your previous e-books on the Luger. Your illustrations are excellent. I recommend this book series to new Luger enthusiasts.


Please take the time to fill out a user profile for the forum and tell us about yourself and your long-time interest in Luger pistols.


thanks,


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Unread 08-22-2001, 06:36 PM   #3
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Default Thank you John

Thank you John for all your kind messages on the board regarding my work.


I hope you will enjoy this last Luger Ebook who is closing the series.


All the content was drawn from my French hard bound book : La Connaissance du Luger written in 1996.


That book (in French) is now available through Ray Rilling site whose url is : http://www.rayrilingarmsbooks.com/cgi-bin/rrb455.cgi/3510.html


If you like my artwork, no doubt you will enjoy this book, as the drawings are by far more crisp when printed on a good paper. A book on Colt pistols is also available on the site.


Larry Rilling have just ordered a new series today. If one of you in the board want to order a book through Rilling's and have his book signed and dated by me, it is the right time to order it before the books are shipped to Larry.


Both books (La Connaissance du Luger and Les pistolets Colt - 100 ans de production) are sold 45 $


Now, with the English ebooks, anybody who would buy the french paper version would have the opportunity to both appreciate the drawings and the content through the English ebooks.


I do no like very to speak about me as a private person. Authors offer their work and the few knowledge they have gathered. It is their way to leave an imprint of their passage on earth.


I apologyse for my English that I suppose will appear somewhat clumsy for many of you. I am a French speaking person.


That is why I rely on my friend John Veit to correct the wording when necessary (for sure it is often necessary).


Thank you again John for your kind words and I send a hello to all of you US collectors.


Gerard Henrotin (from a tiny country in Europe -- Belgium)



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Unread 08-22-2001, 08:29 PM   #4
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Default Re: Welcome Gerard to the Lugerforum

I own all three of the previous ebooks, and I second John's comments. The Luger Mechanicals ebook is especially helpful to newcomers; the Assembly/Disassembly section makes the job easy.



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Unread 08-22-2001, 09:50 PM   #5
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Default Re: Who knows all the Luger producers ?

Welcome to the forum! I also own all three of your other Luger books and look fprward to purchasing this one also. Don't worry about your English. How many of us here in the US could even carry on a brief conversation in French? I am sure Luger terminology is not included in most schools that teach English. Your knowledge comes across just fine!



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Unread 08-22-2001, 10:04 PM   #6
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Default Re: Thank you John

Gerard. Must the e-book be stored on the hard drive or can it be written to a CD? How much space does the average book take up? Looks like a good thing to have but am concerned about storage on computer and loss if Computer crashes.


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Unread 08-22-2001, 10:18 PM   #7
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Default A quick glance suggests...

that Macintosh users are out in the cold.



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Unread 08-22-2001, 10:44 PM   #8
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Default Re: Welcome Gerard , I am a 3x winner

Soon will go for four .

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Unread 08-22-2001, 10:58 PM   #9
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Default Re: A quick glance suggests..."maybenot"

Dok ;

I'm probably wrong again but it seems to me that there is software that will run Win98 pc software on a Mac.

Perhaps John Sabato. will comment on this brash statement . John, is there such software or not ?


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Unread 08-22-2001, 11:11 PM   #10
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Default Re: A quick glance suggests..."maybenot"

Putting all four editions on a CD would be a real nice accomplishment. I believe that there are some of us here who are technically minded enough to educate us on how this can be done. I for one would appreciate the help. (Helloooo..John)!



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Unread 08-23-2001, 05:17 AM   #11
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Default Our ebooks on CD

Our Ebooks must be stored on the Hard disk as upon installation there is a process to install the password and this one is WRITTEN on the HD. This cannot be done on a CD.

The ebooks could be gathered on a CD but when transferred on the customer HD, this one would have to follow the same billing process as usual for each ebook stored. There is no advantage to get the ebooks through CD as the downloading is quicker and you get automatically the last version.


From time to time, data are added or modified.


Another advantage of the Ebooks upon paper books


G�©rard


For those of you that like old French revolver, here is the last ebook on the subject by two renown French authors.


Le revolver Chamelot-Delvigne Mod 1873.


As usual, many pictures and drawings + 2 animated sequences.


Sometime, even in French, innovative publications are worth to be seen. It is perhaps time to learn a little bit French gentlemen ... No !


Loading url is : http://users.skynet.be/HL-Editions/ebook/delvi1.htm


Look at that beautiful piece that I painstakingly draw






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Unread 08-23-2001, 05:27 AM   #12
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Default Macintosh

I did never heard about Macintosh.


What kind of PC is it


Sorry Dok


Ho yea this machine so easy to use that I sold several years ago when I was in the business. Are there really yet on the market today ?


No, I don't think so.






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Unread 08-23-2001, 12:08 PM   #13
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Default Yes I believe that there is still produced an Intel simulator for Macs

But I am not sure how compatible the operating system used is with modern browser software... Like Al Gore, this sounds like a risky scheme to me... but you are only risking $5.95 if you already own the Mac simulator software. If you own a Mac and want to try this, drop me a line and we can talk about how it might be possible. Since speed is not an issue for just reading a book, it just may be possible... but I don't own a Mac to experiment with...


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Default Re: I thought so , Hope it helps others .

I'm operating Win98 on a K7T Pro2-A with a Athlon 800 meg Processor .

I was just trying to be of assistance to the few Mac users that I've heard around here .

Best of luck to you "Mac Users" out there .


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Default Re: Never heard of APPLE Mackintosh ?

At one time They were the biggest threat to "IBM & Clones" !

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Default Leonard Cohen

Just a sentence of one of his songs (Everybody knows)


... Everybody knows the good guys lost ...



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Default Re: I Hope I did'nt make trouble

for you John, But I thought that the Mac Group of 4 or 5 out there needed some help .

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Default Re: I Hope I did'nt make trouble

Hey Dok, do they realize that they can thank Macintosh for this great forum? The two other PC generated forums that I visit frequently are continually dropping the New Messages highlight, but never has it happened to me here.



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Default Your drawings are "First Class"! :) (EOM)

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