1911 Erfurt question?

[Jasta2]

There is a nice looking 1911 Erfurt at auction on Gun Borker ( item # 96009195). Seeing that this is the 1st year of the Erfurt ( many thanks to Dwight Gruber for his great chamber date list!), should I let it's refinishing dissuade me into looking for maybe for another 1911 that may not be a nice, but of original finish? I'm not sure how often a 1911 Erfurt shows up, but it looks to be a nice to have the 1st year Erfurt built. OK guys, my GB ID is RED BARON, so if I'm the high bidder, no bidding againist me!! JUST KIDDING!!!! A 1910 DWM would make a starting pair.
Thanks for your thoughts, Bill

[wlyon]

Bill
For me I rather have a 75% original finish than a refinished one. To me it is only a pretty shooter. It seems that refinished lugers are becoming more popular every day. It's just difficult for us old collectors to understand. If a luger is rare and hard to find or fills a space in your collection and the price is right a refinished luger would work while you hope to find something better. Bill

[Ron Wood]

Actually if you want a "starting" DWM you would need to go for a 1908 First Issue which doesn't have a chamber date. That is a good looking Erfurt and nicely restored. If it doesn't go too much higher it would make a decent "place holder" until a minty original comes along (which will cost you dearly!).

[Jasta2]

Maybe to answer Bills "old collector" and pretty shooter" statement,Yes, it's Ron's "cost you dearly" that bothers me. I am much to late to get into the "minty" field of Luger collecting. As with Model A Fords, which I am fond of, the day of the $1000 Model A is long gone. Any complete unrestored Model A roadster, running or not, can bring near $10K, properly restored $20+ and way up. At least with Model As (most any old car I guess), a proper restoration will increase it's value. Not so with Lugers, maybe unless it's a very poor matching piece, then "correctly" done.
I am weighing having a "very" small collection of Lugers if I stay in the 95%+ finish range, or a much larger collection in the 75% range. So it seems as if a well done refinish might fit in. As long as the Luger is completely matching as originaly made, but not of a true "collector quaility" grade, I cannot see the harm. It's still a original Luger, as built,except it's finish. You "old collectors" have long ago aquired the nicer Lugers. Us new guys would need quite a bank roll to come close to your collections. Then again, I guess that would be true in most any field of collecting.
Tks,Bill

[wlyon]

Bill Mostly by old collector I meant my age. Lugers have always been expensive in relation to other firearms. When they were fairly reasonable I to couldn't afford them. If you are looking for an investment as well as a collection I still feel you are better off with a lesser grade original than a refinish. It seems that the good refinished lugers are also expensive. I have a couple refinished luger in my small collection and they fit fine for me.If I could do it again I would have some lesser grades in their place. Whatever you do happy collecting. Bill

[Ron Smith]

Bill "Jasta 2",

If you don't have an aversion to restored pieces? It's a nice looking Luger and seems well done.

And as Ron stated, if the price doesn't get too high. Even restored and shooter grade Lugers are getting expensive. However, Bill Lyon's point is good too.

There , I've done my best wishy-washy, waffle post to date. After all is said and done, it's in the eye of the beholder...

Ron

[Frank]

Mr. Smith, nice job of fence sitting. I hope you can find someone to assist in getting the slivers out of your backside!!

Your OLD, and I mean OLD, Friend

[paradox998]

Hello Bill:

I don't know if it makes a difference to you, but I think that since the 1911 is in Canada, that an import mark will be added to gun. From what I have seen it is often under the trigger plate and does not show. Maybe someone else can confirm if this is correct. For what it is worth, I know someone who paid a little over $1800 for a 1911 with matching magazine several months ago. Good luck

[Jasta2]

GOOD POINT! Does the Lugers from Canada have a import mark? How does it change the value?
Tks,Bill

[Ron Smith]

Hey Frank,

It took me awhile, but I finally took the bull by the horns, put my foot down and stood my ground with a firm.... maybe.

How ya been?

Ron

[John Sabato]

Legally, the firm that would serve as importer of a Luger from Canada would be required to stamp their identification into the gun... some importers sometimes skip this step... rare but it reportedly happens from time to time.

And then there are firms like CAI who put a BILLBOARD on the large flat of the left side that is just brute-strength UGLY... It can't even be polished out... like a bad tattoo it mars the gun for life.