Death Head luger discussion

Sergio Natali · 09-07-2019, 09:30 AM

ADMIN - I moved a bunch of discussion in the want to buy - sorry Sergio as now it looks like you started this.

Ed

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Never take a "fake". A fake is only a fake and worthless to any average collector.
Most of them are, but that doesn't mean that they all are.
IMHO

Roadster 02 · 09-07-2019, 02:43 PM

Want one for a conversation piece at the range when I'm shooting it.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-07-2019, 10:59 PM

None of the old coots I shoot with would be able to see it!

Roadster 02 · 09-08-2019, 11:55 AM

I'll make sure my "coots" can!

Sieger · 09-13-2019, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadster 02

Want one for a conversation piece at the range when I'm shooting it.

Roadster,

May be then you should take along a "Danzig" fake as well.

Respectfully,

Sieger

Roadster 02 · 09-13-2019, 11:43 PM

I am not convinced that all of them are fakes, as long as they are in the 1913-17 era, with one certain style of stamp.

Ron Wood · 09-14-2019, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Roadster 02

I am not convinced that all of them are fakes, as long as they are in the 1915-17 era, with one certain style of stamp.

You might want to extend your date range a bit. This one is mine and I would bet my last farthing it is authentic.

Vlim · 09-14-2019, 08:05 AM

Cheapest option. Buy an Erfurt and a death head die.
It will be just as 'original' as the majority of them.

DonVoigt · 09-14-2019, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Roadster 02

I am not convinced that all of them are fakes, as long as they are in the 1915-17 era, with one certain style of stamp.

And which "style" of stamp would that be?

Roadster 02 · 09-14-2019, 12:34 PM

The examples shown on pages 150 to 153 in Imperial Lugers and their accessories.

sheepherder · 09-14-2019, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

And which "style" of stamp would that be?

My cheap [$.02] opinion would be the one pictured by Fred Datig in his 1955 edition of 'The Luger Pistol", published well before the current crop of claims of fakes by certain individuals...

Which reminds me...What's Albert been up to lately???

Vlim · 09-14-2019, 05:34 PM

Datig was there when they faked them in the 50s.

sheepherder · 09-14-2019, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlim

Datig was there when they faked them in the 50s.

Datig was probably there when the Freikorps stamped the first one...

DonVoigt · 09-14-2019, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadster 02

The examples shown on pages 150 to 153 in Imperial Lugers and their accessories.

If that is all it takes, then the one I have is original(same features as on p-150); yippee! the value just went up!

However, if one reads what Still and Shad wrote on pp.126 and 127;
he does not validate any of these lugers as definitively "original", but
"a subject of hot debate among collectors".

Roadster 02 · 09-15-2019, 12:17 PM

Since these are considered faked, shooter class, non collectible Lugers, I'm only willing to pay the reasonable "shooter grade" price that is quoted in this forum in many posts. The Totenkopf stamp itself being a fake, should not add anything to the value, on the contrary it should detract, correct? Currently when selling, the Luger is "collector grade" with the corresponding premium price, and when buying, the Luger is a faked shooter, again with the corresponding lowered price. It can't be both gentlemen, either these Totenkopfs are fakes, or they are rarities, pick one.

Blm14740 · 10-07-2019, 12:15 PM

This might be an option if you want to cross into the realm of Third Reich Death Heads.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/836704560

-Brandon

Vlim · 10-07-2019, 12:27 PM

Someone messed up a nice looking P08 there.

Found a commercial example in the old world. Refinished, so again, anyone could have messed with it.

Blm14740 · 10-07-2019, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlim

Someone messed up a nice looking P08 there.

My thoughts exactly.

09-07-2019, 09:30 AM	#1
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	ADMIN - I moved a bunch of discussion in the want to buy - sorry Sergio as now it looks like you started this. Ed -------- Never take a "fake". A fake is only a fake and worthless to any average collector. Most of them are, but that doesn't mean that they all are. IMHO __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	Since these are considered faked, shooter class, non collectible Lugers, I'm only willing to pay the reasonable "shooter grade" price that is quoted in this forum in many posts. The Totenkopf stamp itself being a fake, should not add anything to the value, on the contrary it should detract, correct? Currently when selling, the Luger is "collector grade" with the corresponding premium price, and when buying, the Luger is a faked shooter, again with the corresponding lowered price. It can't be both gentlemen, either these Totenkopfs are fakes, or they are rarities, pick one. Last edited by Roadster 02; 09-15-2019 at 08:51 PM.

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09-07-2019, 02:43 PM	#2
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	Want one for a conversation piece at the range when I'm shooting it.

09-08-2019, 11:55 AM	#4
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	I'll make sure my "coots" can!

09-13-2019, 11:43 PM	#6
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	I am not convinced that all of them are fakes, as long as they are in the 1913-17 era, with one certain style of stamp.

09-14-2019, 08:05 AM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Cheapest option. Buy an Erfurt and a death head die. It will be just as 'original' as the majority of them.

09-14-2019, 12:34 PM	#10
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	The examples shown on pages 150 to 153 in Imperial Lugers and their accessories.

09-14-2019, 05:34 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Datig was there when they faked them in the 50s.

10-07-2019, 12:15 PM	#16
Blm14740 User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Tennessee Posts: 53 Thanks: 6 Thanked 57 Times in 17 Posts	This might be an option if you want to cross into the realm of Third Reich Death Heads. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/836704560 -Brandon