Swiss style 9mm late model Mauser.

Mac Cat · 07-01-2020, 04:35 PM

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/872750819
The price is pretty good, right now $706 with one bid . . .

Odd looking box end in the set of photos.
It has 45 ACP checked off ?

Vlim · 07-01-2020, 04:41 PM

Nice gun. It has Ulm proofs, I like the grips.

hayhugh · 07-01-2020, 06:57 PM

It also is marked stainless............

Hoot · 07-01-2020, 08:56 PM

The seller also has a stainless Laseraim .45 ACP for sale. I guess he got confused.

DonVoigt · 07-02-2020, 09:23 AM

Not "Swiss" style; has the "German" grip frame bump.

Mac Cat · 07-02-2020, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Not "Swiss" style; has the "German" grip frame bump.

Right! The white grips made it looks slimmer to me.

Ron Wood · 07-02-2020, 11:46 AM

It does have the Swiss wrap around grip safety.

Ron

DonVoigt · 07-02-2020, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

It does have the Swiss wrap around grip safety.

Ron

Does that make this a "new" variety of 1970's Mauser?

Vilm?

Vlim · 07-02-2020, 05:23 PM

No, all of them have the Swiss wrap around style, only shortened a bit. Technically speaking, the Mauser Parabellum is an 06/29 with some cosmetic work done.

hayhugh · 07-02-2020, 09:32 PM

Interarms gun with different grips added?

Doubs · 07-03-2020, 03:11 AM

Other than the grips, it looks the same as my Mauser Parabellum model 06/73 as identified in the book "THE PARABELLUM IS BACK".

DonVoigt · 07-03-2020, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayhugh

Interarms gun with different grips added?

Mauser made two different styles of grip frame in the 70s,
first with the "straight" "Swiss" profile; when this did no sell well(enough) they added the hump or "German" profile.

06/73 refers to the grip safety model and introduced in 1973,
I believe Vilm's 06/29 designation referred to the grip safety with German profile- I don't think Mauser called them that.

Vilm?

I'd have to re-read/research the book, but I believe all the Swiss grip styles had a grip safety; the German profile was offered without grip safety; and until I saw this one, I did not realize/remember there was a German grip profile with grip safety offered.
Clear as mud?

Vlim · 07-03-2020, 12:02 PM

06/29 is the model designation of the last Swiss luger, on which the Mauser Parabellum is based.

The first Mauser Parabellum was called the 29/70, the P08 style the 06/73.

The P08 style commemoratives had their grip safeties modified so they were hidden under the left side grip and non-functional. But the remains are there.

The grip safety itself was needed to get the pistol through the import regulations in the US. The grip safety was shortened at the request of Interarms to give the pistol more of a 1906 look and less of a Swiss one.

Doubs · 07-03-2020, 12:09 PM

Don, I agree with your comments. The book calls what Vlim refers to as the 06/29, the 29/70.

There was an 06/72 Transitional model that used the 06/73 frame and 29/70 small parts including the early style front sight. About 2500 were made between October, 1972 and April, 1973; approximately 500 in .30 caliber and 2000 in 9mm.

The book calls the 06/73 the "compromise model" as it was what Interarms and Mauser finally agreed upon.

Vlim · 07-04-2020, 01:27 PM

The 06/29 was the Swiss designation for their pistol. It was not a Mauser model designation.

Mauser started with the 29/70, which is not the 06/29, but Mauser's first attempt at recreating the pistol.

So: 06/29 = Swiss
29/70 = first Mauser Parabellum, straight grip
06/73 = second Mauser Parabellum, P08 style grip

Indeed, there is a period of overlap as Mauser used up 29/70 parts on P08 style frames.

Mauser even reworked 3 06/29 Swiss pistols to be used as demos in 1969. That also caused some confusion. Also some drawing verification models were made that shared more features with the Swiss than the Mauser production models

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Hoot User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 26 Thanks: 82 Thanked 17 Times in 8 Posts	The seller also has a stainless Laseraim .45 ACP for sale. I guess he got confused. __________________ It is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Not "Swiss" style; has the "German" grip frame bump. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	It does have the Swiss wrap around grip safety. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Nice gun. It has Ulm proofs, I like the grips.

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hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	It also is marked stainless............

07-02-2020, 05:23 PM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	No, all of them have the Swiss wrap around style, only shortened a bit. Technically speaking, the Mauser Parabellum is an 06/29 with some cosmetic work done.

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hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Interarms gun with different grips added?

07-03-2020, 03:11 AM	#11
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	Other than the grips, it looks the same as my Mauser Parabellum model 06/73 as identified in the book "THE PARABELLUM IS BACK".

07-03-2020, 12:02 PM	#13
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	06/29 is the model designation of the last Swiss luger, on which the Mauser Parabellum is based. The first Mauser Parabellum was called the 29/70, the P08 style the 06/73. The P08 style commemoratives had their grip safeties modified so they were hidden under the left side grip and non-functional. But the remains are there. The grip safety itself was needed to get the pistol through the import regulations in the US. The grip safety was shortened at the request of Interarms to give the pistol more of a 1906 look and less of a Swiss one.

07-03-2020, 12:09 PM	#14
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	Don, I agree with your comments. The book calls what Vlim refers to as the 06/29, the 29/70. There was an 06/72 Transitional model that used the 06/73 frame and 29/70 small parts including the early style front sight. About 2500 were made between October, 1972 and April, 1973; approximately 500 in .30 caliber and 2000 in 9mm. The book calls the 06/73 the "compromise model" as it was what Interarms and Mauser finally agreed upon.

07-04-2020, 01:27 PM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	The 06/29 was the Swiss designation for their pistol. It was not a Mauser model designation. Mauser started with the 29/70, which is not the 06/29, but Mauser's first attempt at recreating the pistol. So: 06/29 = Swiss 29/70 = first Mauser Parabellum, straight grip 06/73 = second Mauser Parabellum, P08 style grip Indeed, there is a period of overlap as Mauser used up 29/70 parts on P08 style frames. Mauser even reworked 3 06/29 Swiss pistols to be used as demos in 1969. That also caused some confusion. Also some drawing verification models were made that shared more features with the Swiss than the Mauser production models