What are the top five Kriegs you'd like to have?

Edward Tinker · 10-30-2002, 04:48 PM

Or do have?

Mauserlugers started a thread like this and I found it enlightning.

So, what is your number one Krieghoff you'd like to own?

Then, since that is so rare, what is 2, 3, 4,and 5 or more.

And WHY?

John D. · 10-30-2002, 04:53 PM

GREAT THREAD Ed..!!!!! Thanks!!

<img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

Yes - I will post back after folks have posted their comments - but since I have to prioritize my "wish list", I'll have to give it some thought...

I agree, Mauserlugers thread was a great one to read....

John Sabato · 10-30-2002, 05:37 PM

I would want any of the crumbs that fall off of John D.'s table [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Thor · 10-30-2002, 05:49 PM

I would like the one personal Luger previously owned by General Krieghoff himself! (well, if you are going to wish) [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

John D. · 10-30-2002, 09:41 PM

Hmmm - OK.... The first set of answers would be for someone who would want to "focus" on collecting Kriegs... After that, if I only wanted a "good" Krieg example to fill out my collection - there are the top choices there....

As a Krieg Collector who wants to focus on Kriegs.....

1) 1941 Military (small Digit). Gibson estimates about 100 produced - and they are finished very well. The smaller chamber date digits still offer the collector to make their mark, as no definitive/proved answer has been provided. On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate them a 8 as well for collectability and holding future value. (If you want to start with a $20,000 - $25,000 Krieg Ã¢?? go with a 1945. But IÃ¢??m guessing itÃ¢??s an unrealistic first Krieg for most of usÃ¢?Â¦)

2) "36" Military. Gibson estimates about 500 produced - and they are typically representative of the very early Krieg production and many had the fine checkered RITZMANN grips and excellent polish/finish. On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate them a 8 for collectability and holding future value.

3) 1938 Military. Gibson estimates about 50 produced. If you can find a legitimate 1938 - buy it, as they are very rare. Classic Krieg with course brown grips, later style toggle and super rare (most documented examples are in known collections). On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate them a 9 or 10 for collectability and holding future value.

4) P-Code Series I Commercial (the "side-framed inscribed" Krieghoff). Gibson estimates about 960 produced. The holy grail for Krieg collectors - and even non-Krieg collectors know what they are. Be careful - this is one of the most often "faked Kriegs out there, though.... On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate them a 9 or 10 as well for collectability and holding future value.

5) 1944 Military. Gibson estimates about 200 produced - and they are tough to come by. Representative of late production - you'll find some finish differences to early production. On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate them a 8-9 for collectability and holding future value.

or - try as 5 (I'm torn on the one above/below

5) G Date. The Krieg that was the first supplied under the contract. Need I say more?? [img]smile.gif[/img] On a scale of 1-10, I'd rated them a solid 9 for collectability and holding future value, but they are tough to find as well...

OK - if I only wanted one or two Kriegs in my collection.....

P-Code Series I Commercial (side frame inscribed);

or

a 1936 or 1937 Chamber date Krieg. These are more common, and with some excellent "ORIGINAL" condition examples to be scoffed up - along with their RIGs.

or

an original Mid-S (try for original wood grips, as most were plastic. Careful they arenÃ¢??t replacements from other manufacturers ). Look hard for these - but the find is well worth it with their early style toggles and finish.

Hmmmm.......

I'd tell you my "personal" wish list is - but I'd be very afraid if one of you had them [img]smile.gif[/img]

Roadkill · 10-30-2002, 10:20 PM

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MauserLugers · 10-30-2002, 10:27 PM

Hi,
Just had a friend call me with a real find. He was contacted by a guy who buys a lot of stuff from veterans and in one of his recent purchases he came across a vet who had picked up a Luger in WWII and kept it wrapped in a cloth in his dresser for the last 50 yrs. This is from a very reliable person and he will get the Luger shortly and verify just what it is.

Anyway, it is suppose to be one of the rarest Krieghoff's out there.

A 1937 dated Krieghoff with a 6 inch barrel. Kenyon does mention these but had no pictures. My friend visited with Jan Still and it is suppose to be a really rare commercial I think. I think it is a "P" code commercial, but without the side logo. -- Oh yes, the condition -- excellent original condition!

John D. · 10-31-2002, 08:50 AM

[quote]Originally posted by MauserLugers:
<strong>Hi,
Just had a friend call me with a real find....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hi MauserLugers..

Sounds terrific!!! If you could get some pictures along with permission from the owner to post them - that would be really, really appreciated!!

I'm guessing that this piece would be in your "Top 5" wish list [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

Best to you Bill - and thanks!!

10-30-2002, 04:48 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	What are the top five Kriegs you'd like to have? Or do have? Mauserlugers started a thread like this and I found it enlightning. So, what is your number one Krieghoff you'd like to own? Then, since that is so rare, what is 2, 3, 4,and 5 or more. And WHY? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I would like the one personal Luger previously owned by General Krieghoff himself! (well, if you are going to wish) [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email [email protected] ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

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10-30-2002, 04:53 PM	#2
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	GREAT THREAD Ed..!!!!! Thanks!! <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> Yes - I will post back after folks have posted their comments - but since I have to prioritize my "wish list", I'll have to give it some thought... I agree, Mauserlugers thread was a great one to read....

10-30-2002, 09:41 PM	#5
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hmmm - OK.... The first set of answers would be for someone who would want to "focus" on collecting Kriegs... After that, if I only wanted a "good" Krieg example to fill out my collection - there are the top choices there.... As a Krieg Collector who wants to focus on Kriegs..... 1) 1941 Military (small Digit). Gibson estimates about 100 produced - and they are finished very well. The smaller chamber date digits still offer the collector to make their mark, as no definitive/proved answer has been provided. On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate them a 8 as well for collectability and holding future value. (If you want to start with a $20,000 - $25,000 Krieg Ã¢?? go with a 1945. But IÃ¢??m guessing itÃ¢??s an unrealistic first Krieg for most of usÃ¢?Â¦) 2) "36" Military. Gibson estimates about 500 produced - and they are typically representative of the very early Krieg production and many had the fine checkered RITZMANN grips and excellent polish/finish. On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate them a 8 for collectability and holding future value. 3) 1938 Military. Gibson estimates about 50 produced. If you can find a legitimate 1938 - buy it, as they are very rare. Classic Krieg with course brown grips, later style toggle and super rare (most documented examples are in known collections). On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate them a 9 or 10 for collectability and holding future value. 4) P-Code Series I Commercial (the "side-framed inscribed" Krieghoff). Gibson estimates about 960 produced. The holy grail for Krieg collectors - and even non-Krieg collectors know what they are. Be careful - this is one of the most often "faked Kriegs out there, though.... On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate them a 9 or 10 as well for collectability and holding future value. 5) 1944 Military. Gibson estimates about 200 produced - and they are tough to come by. Representative of late production - you'll find some finish differences to early production. On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate them a 8-9 for collectability and holding future value. or - try as 5 (I'm torn on the one above/below 5) G Date. The Krieg that was the first supplied under the contract. Need I say more?? [img]smile.gif[/img] On a scale of 1-10, I'd rated them a solid 9 for collectability and holding future value, but they are tough to find as well... OK - if I only wanted one or two Kriegs in my collection..... P-Code Series I Commercial (side frame inscribed); or a 1936 or 1937 Chamber date Krieg. These are more common, and with some excellent "ORIGINAL" condition examples to be scoffed up - along with their RIGs. or an original Mid-S (try for original wood grips, as most were plastic. Careful they arenÃ¢??t replacements from other manufacturers ). Look hard for these - but the find is well worth it with their early style toggles and finish. Hmmmm....... I'd tell you my "personal" wish list is - but I'd be very afraid if one of you had them [img]smile.gif[/img]

10-30-2002, 10:20 PM	#6
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	"S" date http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/pr1173.htm rk

10-30-2002, 10:27 PM	#7
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	Hi, Just had a friend call me with a real find. He was contacted by a guy who buys a lot of stuff from veterans and in one of his recent purchases he came across a vet who had picked up a Luger in WWII and kept it wrapped in a cloth in his dresser for the last 50 yrs. This is from a very reliable person and he will get the Luger shortly and verify just what it is. Anyway, it is suppose to be one of the rarest Krieghoff's out there. A 1937 dated Krieghoff with a 6 inch barrel. Kenyon does mention these but had no pictures. My friend visited with Jan Still and it is suppose to be a really rare commercial I think. I think it is a "P" code commercial, but without the side logo. -- Oh yes, the condition -- excellent original condition!

10-31-2002, 08:50 AM	#8
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by MauserLugers: <strong>Hi, Just had a friend call me with a real find....</strong><hr></blockquote> Hi MauserLugers.. Sounds terrific!!! If you could get some pictures along with permission from the owner to post them - that would be really, really appreciated!! I'm guessing that this piece would be in your "Top 5" wish list [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] Best to you Bill - and thanks!!