1906 cross in shield question ??

Dean762 · 01-19-2005, 08:32 PM

Hello all. I recently saw in a private collection a 1906 cross in shield ser # 139XX. Looks like one of the 1913 shipment of 815 guns to the Swiss from DWM. Funny thing is it has both the Vogelsang on the left side and the Muhlman acceptance stamps(on the right). No Swiss proof crosses on the slide or barrel and no bern proof mark. This gun is really nice. An easy 98-99% with all matching numbers, mint bore and correct mags. On the inside of the frame is a "G" next to a cross and the # 8. There is no "P" mark on the gun and no import marks. According to my "BOBBA" book this gun doesnt really make sense. Anybody out there have any further info about this gun? Any help, thoughts or insight would be appreciated.

Pete Ebbink · 01-19-2005, 08:35 PM

Hi Dean,

My guess...this gun went back for some arsenal rework after Voglesang retired and Muhlemann was in charge at Bern...??? NO documentation to prove this guess though...

Does the +/M stamp have any "halo" or other bits of white...ie stamped on top of the original finish or is the +/M stamp blued over...???

The "G" and "8" inside the frame would probably just be random DWM inspector stamps used during the original German fabrication...

Regards,

Pete...

Dean762 · 01-19-2005, 08:47 PM

Hi Pete

Good to hear from you. The +/M is blued over with no bits of white. The vogelsang mark looks more like a cross with a solid V rather than a letter.

Thanks
Dean

01-19-2005, 08:32 PM	#1
Dean762 User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 72 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1906 cross in shield question ?? Hello all. I recently saw in a private collection a 1906 cross in shield ser # 139XX. Looks like one of the 1913 shipment of 815 guns to the Swiss from DWM. Funny thing is it has both the Vogelsang on the left side and the Muhlman acceptance stamps(on the right). No Swiss proof crosses on the slide or barrel and no bern proof mark. This gun is really nice. An easy 98-99% with all matching numbers, mint bore and correct mags. On the inside of the frame is a "G" next to a cross and the # 8. There is no "P" mark on the gun and no import marks. According to my "BOBBA" book this gun doesnt really make sense. Anybody out there have any further info about this gun? Any help, thoughts or insight would be appreciated.

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01-19-2005, 08:35 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Dean, My guess...this gun went back for some arsenal rework after Voglesang retired and Muhlemann was in charge at Bern...??? NO documentation to prove this guess though... Does the +/M stamp have any "halo" or other bits of white...ie stamped on top of the original finish or is the +/M stamp blued over...??? The "G" and "8" inside the frame would probably just be random DWM inspector stamps used during the original German fabrication... Regards, Pete...

01-19-2005, 08:47 PM	#3
Dean762 User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 72 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Pete Good to hear from you. The +/M is blued over with no bits of white. The vogelsang mark looks more like a cross with a solid V rather than a letter. Thanks Dean