Turkish Police rig - Page 2

Ron Wood · 07-16-2005, 05:24 PM

Ya done good Doc! Those things are as scarce as chicken molars, and you found a dandy. Way out of my era of collecting but a thing of beauty can be appreciated by all. Congrats.

drbuster · 07-16-2005, 08:00 PM

Thank you Mauro and Ron..two real experts who recognize and appreciate the fine ones! Ron, I have to e-mail you pics of my "new" 1906 Russian #377, but have to take pictures first.

Heinz · 07-16-2005, 09:14 PM

Sweet rig! When I have troubles with phots is is usually because my images are to big in terms of kilobytes. The very detailed beautiful pictures you have posted suggest that may have been you initial problem.

drbuster · 07-16-2005, 09:30 PM

You are correct, Heinz. Ed Tinker was kind enough to walk me through my posting problem over the telephone. They are now solved!

Pete Ebbink · 07-16-2005, 11:14 PM

Hi Doc,

Congratulations on the nice Turkish rig ! Stunning gun and wonderful leather. Does it have any markings on the back of the holster ?

Sorry I was away and did not get back to you on the photo posting help...I see Eddie got you squared away just fine.

drbuster · 07-17-2005, 12:51 AM

Pete, Thanks for your comments. The holster has most of the name AKAH buffed out on the back between the belt loops. The edges of the word can be deciphered. AKAH was the well-known maker for this contract. The holster is hard shelled (thus protecting wear on the muzzle as it was suspended between the front and back piece on the inside), burgundy colored and fashioned with a police type flap closure. Also, the magazine pouch is sewn on separately in the manner of WW1 holsters. And of course, the markings on the top flap. It came with perhaps the original tool inside, coded DE/63, consistant with the proof on the right side of the receiver. Too bad it didn't have an extra mag but how good can things get?

Pete Ebbink · 07-17-2005, 11:17 AM

Thanks, Doc...

Does "Ates" appear one one side or both sides of the extractor...?

drbuster · 07-17-2005, 01:25 PM

Only on the right side, Pete. I believe that ONLY Dutch lugers had markings on both sides of the extractor.

Pete Ebbink · 07-17-2005, 11:56 PM

Hi Doc,

Does yours have a "v" suffix on the front of the frame ? And no "v" on the barrel ?

I have seen photos of TC holsters with # 411, # 655, and Mauro B. posted photos of a friend's holster # 688.

If this is the pistol number on the holster, it would give creedance to the fact that this TC contract went over 688 lugers and maybe up to 1,000 as some speculate.

p.s. It might just be the PIA photos on their site, but # 101 does not seem to have a "v" on the front frame...I have even lightened up the one photo looking at the front of the frame and just do not see a "v" on # 101...

drbuster · 07-18-2005, 12:24 AM

Pete, It does have a "v" on the front of the frame but no "v" on the barrel, typical of Mauser Lugers.

Pete Ebbink · 07-18-2005, 01:45 AM

I remember Sam Buscemi posted some time ago that he owns TC # 100...wonder if his has a "v" suffix...???

drbuster · 07-18-2005, 01:55 AM

Pete, despite the preciseness of the German mentality, it is possible for things to get out of the factory not exactly the way they were supposed to. Witness those lunchbox guns that surface from time to time. One cannot be certain that inspectors were looking on 100% of the time. As for Sam Buscemi's #100, I guess we'll have to ask him, but my guess is that it does have the "v" on the frame front.

Pete Ebbink · 07-18-2005, 05:03 PM

FYI...

Sam confirmed in an email that TC # 100 does not have a "v' suffix, either.

07-16-2005, 05:24 PM	#21
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07-16-2005, 08:00 PM	#22
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Thank you Mauro and Ron..two real experts who recognize and appreciate the fine ones! Ron, I have to e-mail you pics of my "new" 1906 Russian #377, but have to take pictures first.

07-16-2005, 09:14 PM	#23
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Sweet rig! When I have troubles with phots is is usually because my images are to big in terms of kilobytes. The very detailed beautiful pictures you have posted suggest that may have been you initial problem.

07-16-2005, 09:30 PM	#24
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	You are correct, Heinz. Ed Tinker was kind enough to walk me through my posting problem over the telephone. They are now solved!

07-16-2005, 11:14 PM	#25
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Doc, Congratulations on the nice Turkish rig ! Stunning gun and wonderful leather. Does it have any markings on the back of the holster ? Sorry I was away and did not get back to you on the photo posting help...I see Eddie got you squared away just fine.

07-17-2005, 12:51 AM	#26
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Pete, Thanks for your comments. The holster has most of the name AKAH buffed out on the back between the belt loops. The edges of the word can be deciphered. AKAH was the well-known maker for this contract. The holster is hard shelled (thus protecting wear on the muzzle as it was suspended between the front and back piece on the inside), burgundy colored and fashioned with a police type flap closure. Also, the magazine pouch is sewn on separately in the manner of WW1 holsters. And of course, the markings on the top flap. It came with perhaps the original tool inside, coded DE/63, consistant with the proof on the right side of the receiver. Too bad it didn't have an extra mag but how good can things get?

07-17-2005, 11:17 AM	#27
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks, Doc... Does "Ates" appear one one side or both sides of the extractor...?

07-17-2005, 01:25 PM	#28
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Only on the right side, Pete. I believe that ONLY Dutch lugers had markings on both sides of the extractor.

07-17-2005, 11:56 PM	#29
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Doc, Does yours have a "v" suffix on the front of the frame ? And no "v" on the barrel ? I have seen photos of TC holsters with # 411, # 655, and Mauro B. posted photos of a friend's holster # 688. If this is the pistol number on the holster, it would give creedance to the fact that this TC contract went over 688 lugers and maybe up to 1,000 as some speculate. p.s. It might just be the PIA photos on their site, but # 101 does not seem to have a "v" on the front frame...I have even lightened up the one photo looking at the front of the frame and just do not see a "v" on # 101...

07-18-2005, 12:24 AM	#30
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Pete, It does have a "v" on the front of the frame but no "v" on the barrel, typical of Mauser Lugers.

07-18-2005, 01:45 AM	#31
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I remember Sam Buscemi posted some time ago that he owns TC # 100...wonder if his has a "v" suffix...???

07-18-2005, 01:55 AM	#32
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Pete, despite the preciseness of the German mentality, it is possible for things to get out of the factory not exactly the way they were supposed to. Witness those lunchbox guns that surface from time to time. One cannot be certain that inspectors were looking on 100% of the time. As for Sam Buscemi's #100, I guess we'll have to ask him, but my guess is that it does have the "v" on the frame front.

07-18-2005, 05:03 PM	#33
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	FYI... Sam confirmed in an email that TC # 100 does not have a "v' suffix, either.