Something to clarify about Mauser Parabellum. - Page 4

mauro · 10-20-2007, 04:19 AM

Hi Gene,
your pistol has been made in the 1970-71. Maybe you can post some pictures to see the configuration. Do you have the dated test target?
Gene, most probably your pistol shows the serial number on the frame with a double dot and the serial number on the receiver with only a dot.
The frame should have the Mauser Parabellum mark without the caliber.
Just shoot a photo in this way we can evaluate.

Steve your Parabellum has been made in 1972.

Enjoy your Mauser Parabellum.
Ciao
Mauro

thegundude · 10-20-2007, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mauro

Steve your Parabellum has been made in 1972.

Thank you, Sir!

WG dog · 10-20-2007, 07:07 PM

Mauro,

Thank you for the information. I don't have a digital camera, but tried to get some photos today with a brother-in-law, so might have photos later if they were okay. Photos were taken in a hurry in a car so they might not be good.

On the left side the pistol is marked "Mauser Parabellum" and underneath that is "9mm Luger". Oval FBM marking. On the right side there is a serial just above the trigger (on frame?) of 11.00.2974. Above that (on receiver?) is the serial as 11.002974, with only one decimal point. Alongside the top serial is the Interarms sun and "INTERARMS" and "ALEXANDRIA.VIRGINIA". "Made in Germany" on back of frame. Toggle has "Original MAUSER" banner marking. American eagle marking on top of chamber. "9mm Luger" marking on top of barrel with a oval FBM marking. On front gripstrap there is the marking "MAUSER-WERKE A.G. Oberndorf a.N." Mauser banner marked magazine.

I don't have the test target, box or anything else. Is this type of pistol called a 29/70?

mauro · 10-20-2007, 07:18 PM

Hi Gene,
Many thanks for the info.
Don't warry for the pics, if you are able to have them ok otherwise your description in good enought.

Your Mauser Parabellum is a 29/70 model. The fact that there is a different pattern used for the serial number on the frame and on the receiver is because in the beginning Mauser decided to use a double dot pattern and therefore several frames have been stamped in this way.
Then Mauser decided to use a one dot pattern and so the two dots frames were used in combination with the "one dot receiver" until the frame stock finished.
In other words, your frame belongs to the first stock made by Mauser.

Have fun.
Mauro

WG dog · 10-20-2007, 07:43 PM

Mauro,

Again, thank you for the information. I've had the pistol for about twenty years, but did not know it was made in 1970/71 or that it was called a 29/70. Always good to learn something.

Gene

ulmorbust · 11-16-2007, 11:35 PM

So, let me get this straight... my Interarms model is marked FBM,
110012XX... which means, I think that this means that my model (a 9mm) is the 200th or so gun built, so probably 1970, right? As I recall, the first 100 were special editions...

Thanks...

mauro · 11-17-2007, 02:24 PM

Yes,
You are right.
Please do you mind post pictures? You gun is a early production.
Cheers,
Mauro

cz75bfr · 01-25-2009, 11:02 AM

Hi,

I am new here.
Hope someone can give me more info on this weapon.
What is a likely date of manufacture what is the value?
Seller says bore is perfect, pistol is perfect, blue is perfect, only the grip safety has some loss of blue.
Seller did not give me the serial number.

Thanks in advance

Fred

Vlim · 01-25-2009, 01:18 PM

Well, it's post 1972 but we cannot give a detailed date without the serial number.
If the gun has the antler Ulm proof mark, a year code either in letters or numbers should be present.
Most likely it's a 1973 pistol.

Value also depends on box, accessories, test target, manual, etc... being present.

mauro · 01-25-2009, 01:22 PM

Hello Fred,
Your pistol is a so called 06/73 model.
Without serial number it is difficult to estimate when it has been produced but most of them have been made in the 1973-1975 timeframe.
You can see some of them for sale with the related price in the Simpson web site (see link & resources).

Have fun,
Mauro

lfid · 01-25-2009, 02:46 PM

Fred,

grips on this one look much nicer grain and color than most Ive seen

recent auctions for these P08 frame MP on gunbroker have been $1000-$1200 , the $1000 after redo auction price reduction sold and was a 30 cal 6"

Bill

cz75bfr · 01-25-2009, 03:05 PM

Seller tells me Serial is 11014xxx
No box, Test target, just nothing exept for the two magazines.
He wants 1300$ is that over the top?
Some more pictures:

tomaustin · 01-25-2009, 09:31 PM

some others that might become available.

tomaustin · 01-25-2009, 09:33 PM

only been fired for the tests. i am looking at others that may become available. sorry for the fat-fingers in the previous post...tom

Edwyn Hanson · 03-29-2009, 06:56 PM

I have a model 29/70 Mauser Parabellum in .30 luger caliber with serial number 10.002317 and 6 inch barrel. It also has the FBM marking. In 2001 I e-mailed Mauser to ask when this pistol was made. I received a one line reply from Otto Repa which said "The Mauser Parabellum was sold in March 1971 to Interarms." I also have the original box, test target and the spare magazine and cleaning brush. (My wife surprised me with this gun as a Christmas present-she paid $625!) I hope this info helps those of you who are completing a serial number database.

Ed Hanson

Edwyn Hanson · 03-29-2009, 07:00 PM

I just realized that I have already posted info about my Mauser Parabellum! Sorry for the repeat episode! (They say that the mind goes first!)

Ed

HKMan · 02-28-2010, 04:27 PM

I bought a Mauser/Interarms Swiss Pattern with 6" barrel in the 9mm caliber from FGS Inc.

I heard these new 1970's production Mauser Parabellums had a slightly different grip configuration that the standard Lugers.

Is that true and in what way do they differ from the originals?

Vlim · 02-28-2010, 07:27 PM

HKMan,

The Mauser Parabellum can be found with 2 different frame configurations, the first variation was present on the 29/70 and it copies the lines of the Swiss 06/29 (straight front area). The second variation follows the lines of the DWM 1906 design and was introduced in late 1972.

The grips themselves have seen several modifications as the first grips were too thick for comfort, the result of an attempt to keep the grips from working loose by adding a couple of brass keepers to the inside of the grips. Later these keepers were deleted and replaced by a central 'locking pin' design.

HKMan · 03-01-2010, 09:53 PM

Thanks Vlim. The Swiss Pattern is my Favorite! What an awesome pistol!

These were the last Lugers ever produced. The really lousy thing is that Mauser is out of business.

They made the telescopic bolt Mauser 66 which is one of the best sporting rifles in the world. I have on in .30-06 with Double-set triggers.

Vlim · 03-02-2010, 06:20 AM

They are not out of business, actually.

The production of hunting rifles was taken over by a different company but they still use Mauser Jagdwaffen GmbH as their business outfit. (Blaser, in turn connected to the SIG brand name. They market the Mauser M2 pistol in the US).

The production of military grade equipment is also still active (in the old company building at Oberndorf am Neckar), but now under a different name: Rheinmetall Defence.

10-20-2007, 04:19 AM	#61
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hi Gene, your pistol has been made in the 1970-71. Maybe you can post some pictures to see the configuration. Do you have the dated test target? Gene, most probably your pistol shows the serial number on the frame with a double dot and the serial number on the receiver with only a dot. The frame should have the Mauser Parabellum mark without the caliber. Just shoot a photo in this way we can evaluate. Steve your Parabellum has been made in 1972. Enjoy your Mauser Parabellum. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

10-20-2007, 07:18 PM	#64
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hi Gene, Many thanks for the info. Don't warry for the pics, if you are able to have them ok otherwise your description in good enought. Your Mauser Parabellum is a 29/70 model. The fact that there is a different pattern used for the serial number on the frame and on the receiver is because in the beginning Mauser decided to use a double dot pattern and therefore several frames have been stamped in this way. Then Mauser decided to use a one dot pattern and so the two dots frames were used in combination with the "one dot receiver" until the frame stock finished. In other words, your frame belongs to the first stock made by Mauser. Have fun. Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

11-17-2007, 02:24 PM	#67
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Yes, You are right. Please do you mind post pictures? You gun is a early production. Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

01-25-2009, 11:02 AM	#68
cz75bfr User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi, I am new here. Hope someone can give me more info on this weapon. What is a likely date of manufacture what is the value? Seller says bore is perfect, pistol is perfect, blue is perfect, only the grip safety has some loss of blue. Seller did not give me the serial number. Thanks in advance Fred Attached Thumbnails

01-25-2009, 01:22 PM	#70
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello Fred, Your pistol is a so called 06/73 model. Without serial number it is difficult to estimate when it has been produced but most of them have been made in the 1973-1975 timeframe. You can see some of them for sale with the related price in the Simpson web site (see link & resources). Have fun, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

10-20-2007, 07:07 PM	#63
WG dog Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 142 Thanks: 1,282 Thanked 37 Times in 24 Posts	Mauro, Thank you for the information. I don't have a digital camera, but tried to get some photos today with a brother-in-law, so might have photos later if they were okay. Photos were taken in a hurry in a car so they might not be good. On the left side the pistol is marked "Mauser Parabellum" and underneath that is "9mm Luger". Oval FBM marking. On the right side there is a serial just above the trigger (on frame?) of 11.00.2974. Above that (on receiver?) is the serial as 11.002974, with only one decimal point. Alongside the top serial is the Interarms sun and "INTERARMS" and "ALEXANDRIA.VIRGINIA". "Made in Germany" on back of frame. Toggle has "Original MAUSER" banner marking. American eagle marking on top of chamber. "9mm Luger" marking on top of barrel with a oval FBM marking. On front gripstrap there is the marking "MAUSER-WERKE A.G. Oberndorf a.N." Mauser banner marked magazine. I don't have the test target, box or anything else. Is this type of pistol called a 29/70?

10-20-2007, 07:43 PM	#65
WG dog Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 142 Thanks: 1,282 Thanked 37 Times in 24 Posts	Mauro, Again, thank you for the information. I've had the pistol for about twenty years, but did not know it was made in 1970/71 or that it was called a 29/70. Always good to learn something. Gene

11-16-2007, 11:35 PM	#66
ulmorbust New User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So, let me get this straight... my Interarms model is marked FBM, 110012XX... which means, I think that this means that my model (a 9mm) is the 200th or so gun built, so probably 1970, right? As I recall, the first 100 were special editions... Thanks...

01-25-2009, 01:18 PM	#69
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Well, it's post 1972 but we cannot give a detailed date without the serial number. If the gun has the antler Ulm proof mark, a year code either in letters or numbers should be present. Most likely it's a 1973 pistol. Value also depends on box, accessories, test target, manual, etc... being present.

01-25-2009, 02:46 PM	#71
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	Fred, grips on this one look much nicer grain and color than most Ive seen recent auctions for these P08 frame MP on gunbroker have been $1000-$1200 , the $1000 after redo auction price reduction sold and was a 30 cal 6" Bill

01-25-2009, 03:05 PM	#72
cz75bfr User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Seller tells me Serial is 11014xxx No box, Test target, just nothing exept for the two magazines. He wants 1300$ is that over the top? Some more pictures: Attached Thumbnails

01-25-2009, 09:31 PM	#73
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	i have two interarms lugers--9mm 11.0026XX and 30 cal 10.0051XX. theri am looking at some others that might become available.

01-25-2009, 09:33 PM	#74
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	edit edit edit..should say my two appear to have only been fired for the tests. i am looking at others that may become available. sorry for the fat-fingers in the previous post...tom

03-29-2009, 06:56 PM	#75
Edwyn Hanson New User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tucson, Az Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Data on my Mauser Parabellum I have a model 29/70 Mauser Parabellum in .30 luger caliber with serial number 10.002317 and 6 inch barrel. It also has the FBM marking. In 2001 I e-mailed Mauser to ask when this pistol was made. I received a one line reply from Otto Repa which said "The Mauser Parabellum was sold in March 1971 to Interarms." I also have the original box, test target and the spare magazine and cleaning brush. (My wife surprised me with this gun as a Christmas present-she paid $625!) I hope this info helps those of you who are completing a serial number database. Ed Hanson

03-29-2009, 07:00 PM	#76
Edwyn Hanson New User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tucson, Az Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Oops! I just realized that I have already posted info about my Mauser Parabellum! Sorry for the repeat episode! (They say that the mind goes first!) Ed

02-28-2010, 04:27 PM	#77
HKMan User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a Swiss pattern 6" in 9mm! I bought a Mauser/Interarms Swiss Pattern with 6" barrel in the 9mm caliber from FGS Inc. I heard these new 1970's production Mauser Parabellums had a slightly different grip configuration that the standard Lugers. Is that true and in what way do they differ from the originals?

02-28-2010, 07:27 PM	#78
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	HKMan, The Mauser Parabellum can be found with 2 different frame configurations, the first variation was present on the 29/70 and it copies the lines of the Swiss 06/29 (straight front area). The second variation follows the lines of the DWM 1906 design and was introduced in late 1972. The grips themselves have seen several modifications as the first grips were too thick for comfort, the result of an attempt to keep the grips from working loose by adding a couple of brass keepers to the inside of the grips. Later these keepers were deleted and replaced by a central 'locking pin' design.

03-01-2010, 09:53 PM	#79
HKMan User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Vlim! The Swiss pattern is my favorite! Thanks Vlim. The Swiss Pattern is my Favorite! What an awesome pistol! These were the last Lugers ever produced. The really lousy thing is that Mauser is out of business. They made the telescopic bolt Mauser 66 which is one of the best sporting rifles in the world. I have on in .30-06 with Double-set triggers.

03-02-2010, 06:20 AM	#80
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	They are not out of business, actually. The production of hunting rifles was taken over by a different company but they still use Mauser Jagdwaffen GmbH as their business outfit. (Blaser, in turn connected to the SIG brand name. They market the Mauser M2 pistol in the US). The production of military grade equipment is also still active (in the old company building at Oberndorf am Neckar), but now under a different name: Rheinmetall Defence.

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