Parts Gun?

MarkC · 02-10-2005, 10:55 AM

What can you guys tell me about this shooter?

Certainly the barrel has been replaced. The only markings are on the trigger guard. All small parts marked 11 including the hold open and firing pin with the side plate 11 overstamped 44. The grips are plastic but fit well.

I paid $350.00 for it several years ago but it shoots great.

Mark

John Sabato · 02-10-2005, 11:57 AM

$350 was a GREAT price for this shooter...

but if you want more information Mark, you will need to post a couple closeups of the gun.

The Mauser toggle indicates that it was not military production, but it may have been a Police gun... or commercial.

The barrel may have been a custom order, or a commercial arsenal "rework" or just a gunsmith replacement....

Please add some closeups of both sides.

Are there ANY marks on the barrel?

MarkC · 02-10-2005, 03:22 PM

John,

There are no marks on the barrel at all. I figure a gunsmith replacement. Will check tonight about other markings.

The gun needed a new firing pin spring giude and mag when I bought her.

Mark

MarkC · 02-10-2005, 08:05 PM

Here are a few pictures of the markings on the left side. C/N on the left receiver but C/U on the toggle.

The number 141 above the lanyard loop. No other markings. On closer exam some of the small parts are restamped 11 without grinding out the old number.

So what are the parts from?

Lugerdoc · 02-11-2005, 09:27 AM

The Imperial acceptance forward of the serial on TD lever is standard Erfurt procedures. TH

Dwight Gruber · 02-11-2005, 10:58 AM

Mark,

The markings on the frame and frame parts indicate a WWI Erfurt. The crown/N on the receiver is the German nitro proof instituted in 1910. If it is sideways--"lazy"--it dates between 1910 and about 1914; if it is upright, it is post-WWI. The toggle is Mauser banner commercial dating from the late 30s to 1942; crown/U is the Mauser Oberndorf house commercial proof.

--Dwight

MarkC · 02-11-2005, 11:56 AM

Dwight and Tom,

Thanks guys! The C/N proof is sideways. So it appears to be a rebarrelled Eurfurt Luger with a post WWI Mauser toggle!

It shoots great, but still don't know why someone when through the trouble of renumbering all the mismatched parts.

Sometimes the oddest things show up at the local gun shows!

Mark

Dwight Gruber · 02-11-2005, 10:17 PM

Mark,

I guess I was insufficiently specific in my description. The lazy c/N is a Commercial proof. Your Luger is a combination of an Erfurt frame, a 1906 Commercial receiver (slight possibility of it being a 1908 Commercial receiver), and Mauser commercial toggle train.

--Dwight

02-10-2005, 10:55 AM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Parts Gun? What can you guys tell me about this shooter? Certainly the barrel has been replaced. The only markings are on the trigger guard. All small parts marked 11 including the hold open and firing pin with the side plate 11 overstamped 44. The grips are plastic but fit well. I paid $350.00 for it several years ago but it shoots great. Mark

02-10-2005, 11:57 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	$350 was a GREAT price for this shooter... but if you want more information Mark, you will need to post a couple closeups of the gun. The Mauser toggle indicates that it was not military production, but it may have been a Police gun... or commercial. The barrel may have been a custom order, or a commercial arsenal "rework" or just a gunsmith replacement.... Please add some closeups of both sides. Are there ANY marks on the barrel? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The Imperial acceptance forward of the serial on TD lever is standard Erfurt procedures. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

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02-10-2005, 03:22 PM	#3
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	John, There are no marks on the barrel at all. I figure a gunsmith replacement. Will check tonight about other markings. The gun needed a new firing pin spring giude and mag when I bought her. Mark

02-10-2005, 08:05 PM	#4
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Here are a few pictures of the markings on the left side. C/N on the left receiver but C/U on the toggle. The number 141 above the lanyard loop. No other markings. On closer exam some of the small parts are restamped 11 without grinding out the old number. So what are the parts from?

02-11-2005, 10:58 AM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Mark, The markings on the frame and frame parts indicate a WWI Erfurt. The crown/N on the receiver is the German nitro proof instituted in 1910. If it is sideways--"lazy"--it dates between 1910 and about 1914; if it is upright, it is post-WWI. The toggle is Mauser banner commercial dating from the late 30s to 1942; crown/U is the Mauser Oberndorf house commercial proof. --Dwight

02-11-2005, 11:56 AM	#7
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Dwight and Tom, Thanks guys! The C/N proof is sideways. So it appears to be a rebarrelled Eurfurt Luger with a post WWI Mauser toggle! It shoots great, but still don't know why someone when through the trouble of renumbering all the mismatched parts. Sometimes the oddest things show up at the local gun shows! Mark

02-11-2005, 10:17 PM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Mark, I guess I was insufficiently specific in my description. The lazy c/N is a Commercial proof. Your Luger is a combination of an Erfurt frame, a 1906 Commercial receiver (slight possibility of it being a 1908 Commercial receiver), and Mauser commercial toggle train. --Dwight