front strap marking 4.G.G.M.G.20.

[CorporalGungee]

I just receiver a rather strange short frame Luger and all the frame parts are matched to each other three digit number with no letter . The front strap is marked 4.G.G.M.G.20. and I have no idea what this means . I also do not know from what varation model this is as it came with a complete matching 1917 DWM Artillery upper barrel assembly .

The frame is set up for a grip safety ( removed ) and the markings on the thumb safety ( regular type ) area have been moved from the bottom to the top ! No stock lug at all and it does not look ground down either . The serial number are the commercial hidden style and all of the match . The safety bar has a proof mark on it , Crown over letter "D" or "W" , I'm not too sure which one but it is numbered to the frame . I'm ready not too sure what I have here , but I'm thinking maybe some type of "06 Navy originally ???

[klaus 3338]

It means (Königin Augsta) Garde Grenadier Regiment Nr.4 Maschinen Gewehr Kompagnie.
The M.G.K. was part of the (3.) Füsilier Bataillon.
Station was Berlin. It was a young regiment, "born" in 1860.
Some pics would be nice and helpful.

[CorporalGungee]

I do have some pictures but they are rather poor quality . I'll try to get some better ones taken soon . Thank You so much for the info on what the strap markings mean !!!

[aldo35]

It sounds like the frame is grip safety frame mated to an artillery upper. The fact that the arty barrel is 8" suggests this was a bring back.

The serial number on the frame, is it a 5 digit number over Germany, which would suggest an export frame?

Aldo35

[CorporalGungee]

frame itself is three digit number with no letter and NOT marked Germany either .

[aldo35]

What is date above chamber and logo on toggles? This might be a clue. The more I think about this one it could be a factory original where they converted a grip safety frame to make and arty. However the lack of a stock lug trows me off that line. How are the pictures coming?
Aldo35

[George Anderson]

With the grip strap marking indicated and a three digit serial number there is almost no way it can have a grip safety frame.

[CorporalGungee]

the Artillery barreled upper is dated 1917 DWM , with fine tune rear and standard front sight . The complete upper is matching to itself , four digit numbered with letter suffix .

The frame has the cut in the bottom rear left side for the grip safety spring ; an upside down "coma" with a hole below that .

btw , I married this rather strange Artillery up to the very strange Artillery Ertaz holster that I had put up here on the forum .

[CorporalGungee]

I am trying out a new camera 35mm SLR ; this is my first time using it , so I hope the pic's are okay in telling the story ....

[SteveM]

Is that a navy receiver?

[aldo35]

Hi

Great pictures! Definitely a spot or grip safety spring in that frame.

Aldo35

[George Anderson]

Has to be an '06 commercial frame utilized to make a P08 in 1909 or 1910.

[CorporalGungee]

I'm not sure if the frame is a commercial or Navy ; but in any case where it is cut for the grip safety I'd have to say it's a '06 frame . Where it was a military arsenal rework modification , this really throws my head in a lope . In any case there is no stock lug and it's a short frame .

[aldo35]

Hi,

I believe all commercial frames had a 5 digit serial number. Looks like a 06 frame may have been reworked before serial numbers applied.

What do they do to convert safety bar on an 06?

Aldo35

[CorporalGungee]

it looks like they just replaced it with a P08 version and removed the grip safety parts . the safety & bar are both numbered "07" to the frame , as well as the grips , trigger , side plate , locking bolt . I did not see any numbered on the magazine catch , but did not take it out either .

[aldo35]

Hi,

I tried to place a 08 safety and bar in an 06 frame and it wouldn't fit.
I'll try again,but I think you have to change the bar somehow to fit.

Aldo35

[CorporalGungee]

the safety bar is different I think ?