"Collecting engraved Luger Pistols or caveat emptor!" by Klaus LEIBNITZ

Sergio Natali · 11-08-2020, 11:52 AM

A few years ago I found a very interesting article by Klaus Leibnitz entitled "Collecting engraved Luger Pistols or caveat emptor!" following a conversation with a local Luger friend I went back to looking for this article but I never found it, I thought I had saved it on my computer but in the meantime I also changed my pc.
Is there a chance that any of you has kept it?
In any case, thank you in advance.

Heinz · 11-08-2020, 04:50 PM

Sorry Sergio, I am not familiar with that article. This does however open an interesting topic. I do not believe that DWM ever employed an engraver in their factory. All of their chamber markings are roll engraved, even on very small production runs.

schutzen-jager · 11-08-2020, 04:58 PM

i do not remember that article - i do know of at least 3 GI's that had pistols engraved in Germany + Austria post victory when the gun makers + engravers were doing quality work for peanuts -

Sonofeugene · 11-08-2020, 05:22 PM

I believe you can download the article here, though I haven't tried the link.

https://kyivbookfestival.com/luger-u...ings-list.html

Sergio Natali · 11-09-2020, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heinz

Sorry Sergio, I am not familiar with that article. This does however open an interesting topic. I do not believe that DWM ever employed an engraver in their factory. All of their chamber markings are roll engraved, even on very small production runs.

FWIK there are no factory engraved Lugers apart from KREIGHOFFs that already had engravers in their premises and apparently they produced some (very few) engraved pistols.

Vlim · 11-09-2020, 11:49 AM

There are no known pre-1970s factory engraved lugers except for Krieghoff.

Mauser employed factory engravers post-war and several post WW2 Mauser Parabellum and HSc pistols received factory engravings and inlays. The Oberndorf Weapons Museum recently organized an exhibition on factory engravers and their work. Amongst them master engraver Dieter Günther, who passed away a few years ago.

Pre-WW2, I think it was easier and cheaper to just hire a skilled engraver when needed. Most companies offered engraving options at additional cost, so it was not that uncommon either. As late as 1938, Mauser for example offered engraved, nickle and silver plated pistols at extra cost, including the Mauser M1934, Mauser WTP and Mauser M1910/34.

Engraving and wood carving was a local cottage industry in Oberndorf.

Heinz · 11-10-2020, 08:33 PM

Vlim. have you seen DWM offering an engraving option? I don't mean that to sound accusatory, I just wonder if there are adverisements?

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	"Collecting engraved Luger Pistols or caveat emptor!" by Klaus LEIBNITZ A few years ago I found a very interesting article by Klaus Leibnitz entitled "Collecting engraved Luger Pistols or caveat emptor!" following a conversation with a local Luger friend I went back to looking for this article but I never found it, I thought I had saved it on my computer but in the meantime I also changed my pc. Is there a chance that any of you has kept it? In any case, thank you in advance. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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11-08-2020, 04:50 PM	#2
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Sorry Sergio, I am not familiar with that article. This does however open an interesting topic. I do not believe that DWM ever employed an engraver in their factory. All of their chamber markings are roll engraved, even on very small production runs.

11-08-2020, 04:58 PM	#3
schutzen-jager User Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: peoples republic of New Jersey Posts: 187 Thanks: 208 Thanked 187 Times in 86 Posts	i do not remember that article - i do know of at least 3 GI's that had pistols engraved in Germany + Austria post victory when the gun makers + engravers were doing quality work for peanuts -

11-08-2020, 05:22 PM	#4
Sonofeugene User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 157 Thanks: 1 Thanked 118 Times in 64 Posts	I believe you can download the article here, though I haven't tried the link. https://kyivbookfestival.com/luger-u...ings-list.html

11-09-2020, 11:49 AM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	There are no known pre-1970s factory engraved lugers except for Krieghoff. Mauser employed factory engravers post-war and several post WW2 Mauser Parabellum and HSc pistols received factory engravings and inlays. The Oberndorf Weapons Museum recently organized an exhibition on factory engravers and their work. Amongst them master engraver Dieter Günther, who passed away a few years ago. Pre-WW2, I think it was easier and cheaper to just hire a skilled engraver when needed. Most companies offered engraving options at additional cost, so it was not that uncommon either. As late as 1938, Mauser for example offered engraved, nickle and silver plated pistols at extra cost, including the Mauser M1934, Mauser WTP and Mauser M1910/34. Engraving and wood carving was a local cottage industry in Oberndorf.

11-10-2020, 08:33 PM	#7
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Vlim. have you seen DWM offering an engraving option? I don't mean that to sound accusatory, I just wonder if there are adverisements?