1906 cross in shield marks

Roadster 02 · 02-04-2021, 06:39 PM

What markings are original to the cross and shield pistols? What marks are on a "rework" pistol? Several books I have give conflicting info.

Doubs · 02-04-2021, 08:18 PM

IF I'm reading Gortz & Sturgiss correctly, the cross-in-sunburst was last used at serial number 9000 of the 00/06 model. On the left side of the receiver should be +/V and then a small Swiss Federal cross. A small Swiss Federal cross should also appear on the left side of the barrel and on the back of the frame. The +/V was the inspection mark of Major Vogelsang who retired in 1912.

From serial number 9001-15215 (the end of DWM Lugers provided to the Swiss due to the war), the cross-in-shield was used.

As far as "rework" stamps, I'm not familiar with any that the Swiss may have used.

Below is my cross-in-shield 00/06 that was assembled by W+F in Switzerland from parts provided by DWM in 1910. The markings should be the same as on the earlier cross-in-sunburst.

Roadster 02 · 02-05-2021, 12:05 AM

Thanks.

Roadster 02 · 02-12-2021, 06:21 PM

How much of an effect in value would an import company mark almost the full length of the underside of the bbl do to a pistol in vg shape with vg straw, blue, all numbers match, and proper magazine? Price was $1895, I'm hesitant due to import mark.

Doubs · 02-12-2021, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadster 02

How much of an effect in value would an import company mark almost the full length of the underside of the bbl do to a pistol in vg shape with vg straw, blue, all numbers match, and proper magazine? Price was $1895, I'm hesitant due to import mark.

IMO - FWIW - that doesn't sound like such a bad price IF the bore is excellent. It may be slightly high but still reasonable. Hard core collectors don't care for the import marks but sometimes they are unavoidable.

If you go to the Simpson Ltd website and look for similar Swiss Lugers, you may find the $1895 is not a bad price. Do keep in mind that Simpson is generally high but a very reputable dealer.

frankenlugerguy · 02-13-2021, 01:20 PM

I agree with Doubs, that Simpson's is not a bad place to look for something. One may pay a pretty good price for that "something", but one gets what they say it is. They are, in my experience, knowledgeable and respectable, and I have done business with them a number of times. As to the the price for the one you describe, Roadster, it doesn't sound too bad to me, either, based upon what you're telling us.

Roadster 02 · 02-14-2021, 02:35 PM

Decided not to purchase at asking price. That 3 inch long scar in the blueing is too much for me. He would not consider a lower offer. Thanks for the replies!

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Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	1906 cross in shield marks What markings are original to the cross and shield pistols? What marks are on a "rework" pistol? Several books I have give conflicting info.

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frankenlugerguy User Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: The Mountains of Western North Carolina Posts: 38 Thanks: 563 Thanked 33 Times in 21 Posts	I agree with Doubs, that Simpson's is not a bad place to look for something. One may pay a pretty good price for that "something", but one gets what they say it is. They are, in my experience, knowledgeable and respectable, and I have done business with them a number of times. As to the the price for the one you describe, Roadster, it doesn't sound too bad to me, either, based upon what you're telling us. __________________ Cursum Perficio

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02-04-2021, 08:18 PM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,698 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,687 Times in 554 Posts	IF I'm reading Gortz & Sturgiss correctly, the cross-in-sunburst was last used at serial number 9000 of the 00/06 model. On the left side of the receiver should be +/V and then a small Swiss Federal cross. A small Swiss Federal cross should also appear on the left side of the barrel and on the back of the frame. The +/V was the inspection mark of Major Vogelsang who retired in 1912. From serial number 9001-15215 (the end of DWM Lugers provided to the Swiss due to the war), the cross-in-shield was used. As far as "rework" stamps, I'm not familiar with any that the Swiss may have used. Below is my cross-in-shield 00/06 that was assembled by W+F in Switzerland from parts provided by DWM in 1910. The markings should be the same as on the earlier cross-in-sunburst.

02-05-2021, 12:05 AM	#3
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	Thanks.

02-12-2021, 06:21 PM	#4
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	How much of an effect in value would an import company mark almost the full length of the underside of the bbl do to a pistol in vg shape with vg straw, blue, all numbers match, and proper magazine? Price was $1895, I'm hesitant due to import mark.

02-14-2021, 02:35 PM	#7
Roadster 02 User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Rocky Mountain High Posts: 313 Thanks: 173 Thanked 252 Times in 87 Posts	Decided not to purchase at asking price. That 3 inch long scar in the blueing is too much for me. He would not consider a lower offer. Thanks for the replies!