Navy P08 # 2046b

jeb111 · 07-02-2022, 12:08 PM

I was scanning internet dealers' Lugers for sale and came across a Navy 08 that was sold by Phoenix Arms. The serial # is listed on Norm's list with a forced matched mag, well worn finish. My question was the seller said this pistol has a hold open adjustment which I am unfamiliar with. I looked through my G&S book volume 1 chapter 16 and can find no mention of an adjustable hold open. Is this a rare variant? BTW the pictures of this pistol show a finish that doesn't look worn at all, the seller must know how to use lighting and angles to really hide any imperfections. www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com item #2188
Jim
Happy 4th

Mac Cat · 07-02-2022, 02:05 PM

Happy 4th, Jim

I looked at the photos and I don't know what they are talking about.
I didn't see any adjustment knob.

Moreover, I can't imagine what an adjustable hold-open would offer?
Strange description and such poor grammar, it makes me wonder . . . .

Norme · 07-02-2022, 02:19 PM

Hi Jim,
Some time ago Phoenix Investment Arms had an Imperial Navy with a home made adjustable hold open which is not visible in the photos shown. Either the photo shows the wrong gun or it's the right gun with the wrong description.
A word of advice, exercise extreme caution with this seller.
Norm

wlyon · 07-02-2022, 04:27 PM

+1 Norm!!!!!!!

tharpo · 07-02-2022, 06:28 PM

As mentioned above, a good policy is to not believe anything this seller says.

gunnertwo · 07-02-2022, 08:42 PM

+3 !!

G2

jeb111 · 07-02-2022, 10:48 PM

I didn't think an adjustable hold open sounded right so that is why I asked. Thanks for the responses! I had no desire in buying anything I just like looking what is for sale and if something catches my eye I research it. This seller has tripped a few red flags for me in the way they have represented a few of their products and also the prices they ask are astronomical. BTW I have a 08 Navy which is on Norm's list so I am already covered with that type of Luger!
Jim

Norme · 07-03-2022, 08:57 AM

The term "Adjustable hold-open" was coined by Phoenix in their description of 1916 Navy #6381, a gun that was first listed by them back in Aug 2016. This gun has been a fixture on their website (meaning it didn't sell) for many years and it may still be unsold as far as I know.
How they came to apply this feature in their description of 1908 Navy #2046b is a mystery, maybe a senior moment?
Norm

spangy · 07-06-2022, 12:28 AM

It's there ... just there ... the right side reveals a knob below the ejector which permits that shooter to adjust the height of the hold open ... a custom or experimental hold open latch.

Do like I did ... consume a 5th of Scotch while intensely staring at the photograph for several hours and it's there ... just there.

"the seller must know how to use lighting and angles to really hide any imperfections." Photoshop anyone ???

Seriously though ... It's a beautiful gun ya ??
I think it would be much nicer without all that "lipstick on a pig" white marker as Norme calls it though.

Heinz · 07-08-2022, 06:16 PM

I think the blue has gotten better over the years, Ain't patina grande :-)

07-02-2022, 12:08 PM	#1
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 712 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	Navy P08 # 2046b I was scanning internet dealers' Lugers for sale and came across a Navy 08 that was sold by Phoenix Arms. The serial # is listed on Norm's list with a forced matched mag, well worn finish. My question was the seller said this pistol has a hold open adjustment which I am unfamiliar with. I looked through my G&S book volume 1 chapter 16 and can find no mention of an adjustable hold open. Is this a rare variant? BTW the pictures of this pistol show a finish that doesn't look worn at all, the seller must know how to use lighting and angles to really hide any imperfections. www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com item #2188 Jim Happy 4th

07-02-2022, 04:27 PM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	+1 Norm!!!!!!! __________________ Bill Lyon

07-06-2022, 12:28 AM	#9
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 617 Thanks: 3,065 Thanked 1,057 Times in 429 Posts	It's there ... just there ... the right side reveals a knob below the ejector which permits that shooter to adjust the height of the hold open ... a custom or experimental hold open latch. Do like I did ... consume a 5th of Scotch while intensely staring at the photograph for several hours and it's there ... just there. "the seller must know how to use lighting and angles to really hide any imperfections." Photoshop anyone ??? Seriously though ... It's a beautiful gun ya ?? I think it would be much nicer without all that "lipstick on a pig" white marker as Norme calls it though. __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

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07-02-2022, 02:05 PM	#2
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 731 Thanks: 2,095 Thanked 610 Times in 329 Posts	Happy 4th, Jim I looked at the photos and I don't know what they are talking about. I didn't see any adjustment knob. Moreover, I can't imagine what an adjustable hold-open would offer? Strange description and such poor grammar, it makes me wonder . . . .

07-02-2022, 02:19 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jim, Some time ago Phoenix Investment Arms had an Imperial Navy with a home made adjustable hold open which is not visible in the photos shown. Either the photo shows the wrong gun or it's the right gun with the wrong description. A word of advice, exercise extreme caution with this seller. Norm

07-02-2022, 06:28 PM	#5
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	As mentioned above, a good policy is to not believe anything this seller says.

07-02-2022, 08:42 PM	#6
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 623 Thanks: 826 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	+3 !! G2

07-02-2022, 10:48 PM	#7
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 712 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	I didn't think an adjustable hold open sounded right so that is why I asked. Thanks for the responses! I had no desire in buying anything I just like looking what is for sale and if something catches my eye I research it. This seller has tripped a few red flags for me in the way they have represented a few of their products and also the prices they ask are astronomical. BTW I have a 08 Navy which is on Norm's list so I am already covered with that type of Luger! Jim

07-03-2022, 08:57 AM	#8
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	The term "Adjustable hold-open" was coined by Phoenix in their description of 1916 Navy #6381, a gun that was first listed by them back in Aug 2016. This gun has been a fixture on their website (meaning it didn't sell) for many years and it may still be unsold as far as I know. How they came to apply this feature in their description of 1908 Navy #2046b is a mystery, maybe a senior moment? Norm

07-08-2022, 06:16 PM	#10
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	I think the blue has gotten better over the years, Ain't patina grande :-)