Weimar Unit Mark?

alanint · 11-26-2016, 05:38 AM

Commercial DWM marked "R G 10b" on the side of the receiver.
Any ideas?

Norme · 11-26-2016, 08:57 AM

Hi Doug,
If genuine that is a rare and very desirable 1908 Commercial that was issued to the Reich Gendarmerie. This was the colonial police force (an army of occupation actually) that Germany deployed in Alsace Lorraine prior to the end of WW1, when that disputed region was returned to France.
Regards, Norm

Don M · 12-08-2016, 11:52 AM

May we know the serial number?

alanint · 12-11-2016, 07:56 AM

I'll try to get it. This comes from a third party trying to figure out the Unit mark,

sheepherder · 12-11-2016, 10:33 AM

What is that mark on the side of the chamber???

kurusu · 12-11-2016, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

What is that mark on the side of the chamber???

Looks like two digits, but I'm not sure.
Have you tried your enhanced pictures magic yet?.

sheepherder · 12-11-2016, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kurusu

Looks like two digits, but I'm not sure.
Have you tried your enhanced pictures magic yet?.

My Ouija board???

Maybe a sunburst???

JTD · 12-11-2016, 11:54 AM

Horizontal c/n

sheepherder · 12-11-2016, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JTD

Horizontal c/n

Outstanding! Show us the enhanced picture you determined that from!

I always marvel at you camera guys! I can't even take a selfie!

George Anderson · 12-11-2016, 03:38 PM

The "R.G.10b" indicates that it would have to be a horizontal crown/N.

sheepherder · 12-11-2016, 04:04 PM

So you're not actually examining the picture? You're assuming that it must be a lazy C/N because that's what it should be...

I was hoping you had some neat trick of sharpening the image, or enlarging the picture, or deepening the shadow effect to enhance the stamp... I just learned this last Summer how to eliminate the 'barrel' effect in macro pictures...There's a lot more effects I would like to learn...

kurusu · 12-11-2016, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

I can't even take a selfie!

That makes two of us.

DonVoigt · 12-11-2016, 05:54 PM

I think that is probably a blessing- no selfie's that is!

JTD · 12-11-2016, 07:35 PM

Actually I made it out from a glance at the posted picture, and knew what it should have been on that model as Geo stated.

Dwight Gruber · 12-12-2016, 01:23 PM

A very difficult original for starters, and kind of a quick hack job, but here you go...

--Dwght

sheepherder · 12-12-2016, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

A very difficult original for starters, and kind of a quick hack job, but here you go...

--Dwght

OK. By negatizing Dwight's pic, I can sort of make out the C/N...

Is there another number underneath the C/N???

DonVoigt · 12-12-2016, 03:40 PM

I'd agree it is a horizontal something; but I would not swear in a court of law it is a C/N- but helping to know it should be one makes it easier to see.

Dwight Gruber · 12-12-2016, 05:43 PM

It is undoubtedly a c/N, as expected, with no extra markings (compare with the attached photo).

If there was a serious question, and I wanted to get all up in your forensic about it, the first thing I would do is ask for anther picture.

--Dwight

Norme · 12-12-2016, 06:05 PM

I'm a little surprised that there should be so much discussion about the lazy C/N proof, present on all Commercial Lugers of the period, and none about the Reich Gendarmerie marking which makes this fine pistol so rare and valuable. Unlike any other unit markings these were engraved by hand (not stamped or pantographed) at the DWM factory, prior to bluing. According to Still, total production of these R.G. marked Lugers, both 1908 and 1914 models, was less than 400 pieces.
Regards, Norm

Don M · 12-12-2016, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

I'm a little surprised that there should be so much discussion about the lazy C/N proof, present on all Commercial Lugers of the period, and none about the Reich Gendarmerie marking which makes this fine pistol so rare and valuable. Unlike any other unit markings these were engraved by hand (not stamped or pantographed) at the DWM factory, prior to bluing. According to Still, total production of these R.G. marked Lugers, both 1908 and 1914 models, was less than 400 pieces.
Regards, Norm

A lot more information about the Reichs-Gendarmeie and examples of these markings can be found in Chapter 18 of HWIS. For example, the b designates mounted police.

11-26-2016, 05:38 AM	#1
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Weimar Unit Mark? Commercial DWM marked "R G 10b" on the side of the receiver. Any ideas? Attached Thumbnails

12-08-2016, 11:52 AM	#3
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	May we know the serial number? __________________ Regards, Don [email protected] Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

12-11-2016, 10:33 AM	#5
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	What is that mark on the side of the chamber??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

12-11-2016, 04:04 PM	#11
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	So you're not actually examining the picture? You're assuming that it must be a lazy C/N because that's what it should be... I was hoping you had some neat trick of sharpening the image, or enlarging the picture, or deepening the shadow effect to enhance the stamp... I just learned this last Summer how to eliminate the 'barrel' effect in macro pictures...There's a lot more effects I would like to learn... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

12-11-2016, 05:54 PM	#13
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,351 Times in 2,040 Posts	I think that is probably a blessing- no selfie's that is! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-26-2016, 08:57 AM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Doug, If genuine that is a rare and very desirable 1908 Commercial that was issued to the Reich Gendarmerie. This was the colonial police force (an army of occupation actually) that Germany deployed in Alsace Lorraine prior to the end of WW1, when that disputed region was returned to France. Regards, Norm

12-11-2016, 07:56 AM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I'll try to get it. This comes from a third party trying to figure out the Unit mark,

12-11-2016, 11:54 AM	#8
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Horizontal c/n

12-11-2016, 03:38 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	The "R.G.10b" indicates that it would have to be a horizontal crown/N.

12-11-2016, 07:35 PM	#14
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Actually I made it out from a glance at the posted picture, and knew what it should have been on that model as Geo stated.

12-12-2016, 01:23 PM	#15
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	A very difficult original for starters, and kind of a quick hack job, but here you go... --Dwght Attached Thumbnails

12-12-2016, 03:40 PM	#17
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,351 Times in 2,040 Posts	I'd agree it is a horizontal something; but I would not swear in a court of law it is a C/N- but helping to know it should be one makes it easier to see. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

12-12-2016, 05:43 PM	#18
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	It is undoubtedly a c/N, as expected, with no extra markings (compare with the attached photo). If there was a serious question, and I wanted to get all up in your forensic about it, the first thing I would do is ask for anther picture. --Dwight Attached Thumbnails

12-12-2016, 06:05 PM	#19
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	I'm a little surprised that there should be so much discussion about the lazy C/N proof, present on all Commercial Lugers of the period, and none about the Reich Gendarmerie marking which makes this fine pistol so rare and valuable. Unlike any other unit markings these were engraved by hand (not stamped or pantographed) at the DWM factory, prior to bluing. According to Still, total production of these R.G. marked Lugers, both 1908 and 1914 models, was less than 400 pieces. Regards, Norm