Ejection problem

admiral1960 · 11-14-2018, 07:13 PM

I have a 1916 DWM Luger that was shooting nicely with few problems.

The last two times I took it to the range it has acted up.

It appears to load the next round into the chamber but smokestacks the ejected case.

Thoughts ?

4 Scale · 11-14-2018, 08:43 PM

More info needed:
Malfunction frequency?
Ammo used?
Changed anything, like mags or ammo?
You say 'few problems', that implies some other issues. What were they/frequency?
"Shooting nicely" - how long, how many rounds?
Parts matching or mismatch, if mismatch which parts?
Ever changed the mainspring or any other springs?

admiral1960 · 11-14-2018, 09:31 PM

Same ammo, same mags, almost every time I pull trigger which is a major change.

Issues before were when I first started shooting gun and they disappeared after I started shooting frequently.

No parts changed.

Have P-38 changed spring on, do not believe any thing changed on the Luger.

admiral1960 · 11-14-2018, 09:34 PM

Forgot to add: guessing, worked fine for 150- 250 rounds, maybe more.

4 Scale · 11-15-2018, 12:41 AM

I'd suggest remove and inspect extractor and ejector for starters. If you have another Luger, perhaps swap out those parts and see if function improves. Also try a different magazine and ammo. Change only one thing at a time.

I would also suggest hand-cycling with snap caps to see if that tells you anything. And it would still be helpful to know what ammo you are using, if the Luger is matching, and what the past malfunctions were.

admiral1960 · 11-15-2018, 10:47 AM

Ammo has been Winchester 115 gr FMJ. No issues until last two times at range.

Will inspect the ejector and extractor.

Using two different mags, same result.

4 Scale · 11-15-2018, 06:10 PM

I would also suggest thoroughly search the forums using the words stovepipe, stove pipe, smokestack and smoke stack. You'll get dozens of threads and should read them all. For example:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ght=stove+pipe
http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ght=stove+pipe

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ght=smokestack

The forums have a wealth of good information and most Luger problems have been discussed before. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

admiral1960 · 11-15-2018, 08:02 PM

Will check it out.

Disassembled the extractor and checked it out.

Looks good, had some crud behind it.

Will check it out in a few days and if still has issues will look at replacing extractor and spring.

Can you (or anyone) tell me what exactly the ejector does ?

DonVoigt · 11-15-2018, 08:08 PM

Crud is not good.
There have been extensive and frequent threads on this type of problem; problems have a number of causes and even more solutions/fixes.

The ejector causes the empty cartridge to be "ejected", in the case of the luger upward. A faulty broken or chipped ejector could be the problem.

admiral1960 · 11-15-2018, 09:41 PM

Cleaned out the crud, will try it again and if no success will try the extractor (& spring) and the ejector.

Thanks for the input !!!

DavidJayUden · 11-15-2018, 11:07 PM

It sounds like the gun is picking up the next round to load but not injecting the empty case. So two possibilities are that your injector has broken and is not tipping the case out of the gun or the toggle is not going back quite far enough for the empty to hit the injector hard enough to be thrown clear. If This is something that just began happening and happens consistently then I suspect that your ejector has broken and is not tipping the empty case clear.

admiral1960 · 11-16-2018, 01:01 AM

You do meant the ejector and not the extractor, correct ?

I think it looks good but will check it closely.

Thanks for the input !!!

DonVoigt · 11-16-2018, 09:56 AM

A picture is worth 1000 words.

And David meant "ejector" not injector.

admiral1960 · 11-16-2018, 12:45 PM

That is what I figured.

Will check it out and even if it looks good will purchase a few things (ejector, extractor & spring) and try replacing them one at a time.

This came on suddenly so whatever is doing it should be fairly simple to find (heard that before).

Thanks again for input.

one more question, how do you remove the ejector ?

Do not see anything on you tube showing how.

DavidJayUden · 11-16-2018, 02:21 PM

And David meant "ejector" not injector.

Do I get to blame my phone?

dju

4 Scale · 11-16-2018, 03:17 PM

Ejector removal is at about 3:00 mark here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-yKfdKUiPw

As he's prying it out, if you look closely with his left hand/index finger he is pressing on the front of the part where it protrudes into the interior of the receiver while he pries out the rear. That's how I do it. I use a piece of hardwood on collectibles as my pry-bar to minimize the chance of a scratch. On shooters, a screwdriver works.

kurusu · 11-16-2018, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admiral1960

That is what I figured.

Will check it out and even if it looks good will purchase a few things (ejector, extractor & spring) and try replacing them one at a time.

This came on suddenly so whatever is doing it should be fairly simple to find (heard that before).

Thanks again for input.

one more question, how do you remove the ejector ?

Do not see anything on you tube showing how.

Start with the ejector.

This video has the full disassembly of a deactivated Luger.

Edit. The ejector is somewhere in it.

https://youtu.be/v-yKfdKUiPw

Edit 2. Removing the ejector is a piece of cake. You will find out that putting it in place may require the use of some foul language.

DonVoigt · 11-16-2018, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

And David meant "ejector" not injector.

Do I get to blame my phone?

dju

You CAN turn off auto-correct.

admiral1960 · 11-16-2018, 05:44 PM

OK Guys, enough levity, down to business.

The ejector is broken, the front part that does the ejecting, I assume., is missing about 1/4" .

Will attach photos if I am able.

Thank you guys again for the input.

Any suggestions as to where to purchase another one ?

kurusu · 11-16-2018, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admiral1960

OK Guys, enough levity, down to business.

The ejector is broken, the front part that does the ejecting, I assume., is missing about 1/4" .

Will attach photos if I am able.

Thank you guys again for the input.

Any suggestions as to where to purchase another one ?

I think "our own" lugerdoc(Tom heller) can provide you with one.

11-14-2018, 07:13 PM	#1
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Ejection problem I have a 1916 DWM Luger that was shooting nicely with few problems. The last two times I took it to the range it has acted up. It appears to load the next round into the chamber but smokestacks the ejected case. Thoughts ? __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

11-14-2018, 09:31 PM	#3
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Ejection problem Same ammo, same mags, almost every time I pull trigger which is a major change. Issues before were when I first started shooting gun and they disappeared after I started shooting frequently. No parts changed. Have P-38 changed spring on, do not believe any thing changed on the Luger. __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

11-14-2018, 09:34 PM	#4
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Ejection problem Forgot to add: guessing, worked fine for 150- 250 rounds, maybe more. __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

11-15-2018, 10:47 AM	#6
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Ejection prob Ammo has been Winchester 115 gr FMJ. No issues until last two times at range. Will inspect the ejector and extractor. Using two different mags, same result. __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

11-15-2018, 08:02 PM	#8
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	ejection problem Will check it out. Disassembled the extractor and checked it out. Looks good, had some crud behind it. Will check it out in a few days and if still has issues will look at replacing extractor and spring. Can you (or anyone) tell me what exactly the ejector does ? __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

11-14-2018, 08:43 PM	#2
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	More info needed: Malfunction frequency? Ammo used? Changed anything, like mags or ammo? You say 'few problems', that implies some other issues. What were they/frequency? "Shooting nicely" - how long, how many rounds? Parts matching or mismatch, if mismatch which parts? Ever changed the mainspring or any other springs?

11-15-2018, 12:41 AM	#5
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	I'd suggest remove and inspect extractor and ejector for starters. If you have another Luger, perhaps swap out those parts and see if function improves. Also try a different magazine and ammo. Change only one thing at a time. I would also suggest hand-cycling with snap caps to see if that tells you anything. And it would still be helpful to know what ammo you are using, if the Luger is matching, and what the past malfunctions were.

11-15-2018, 06:10 PM	#7
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	I would also suggest thoroughly search the forums using the words stovepipe, stove pipe, smokestack and smoke stack. You'll get dozens of threads and should read them all. For example: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ght=stove+pipe http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ght=stove+pipe http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ght=smokestack The forums have a wealth of good information and most Luger problems have been discussed before. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

11-15-2018, 08:08 PM	#9
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Crud is not good. There have been extensive and frequent threads on this type of problem; problems have a number of causes and even more solutions/fixes. The ejector causes the empty cartridge to be "ejected", in the case of the luger upward. A faulty broken or chipped ejector could be the problem. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-15-2018, 09:41 PM	#10
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Cleaned out the crud, will try it again and if no success will try the extractor (& spring) and the ejector. Thanks for the input !!! __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

11-15-2018, 11:07 PM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	It sounds like the gun is picking up the next round to load but not injecting the empty case. So two possibilities are that your injector has broken and is not tipping the case out of the gun or the toggle is not going back quite far enough for the empty to hit the injector hard enough to be thrown clear. If This is something that just began happening and happens consistently then I suspect that your ejector has broken and is not tipping the empty case clear.

11-16-2018, 01:01 AM	#12
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	You do meant the ejector and not the extractor, correct ? I think it looks good but will check it closely. Thanks for the input !!! __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

11-16-2018, 09:56 AM	#13
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	A picture is worth 1000 words. And David meant "ejector" not injector. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-16-2018, 12:45 PM	#14
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	That is what I figured. Will check it out and even if it looks good will purchase a few things (ejector, extractor & spring) and try replacing them one at a time. This came on suddenly so whatever is doing it should be fairly simple to find (heard that before). Thanks again for input. one more question, how do you remove the ejector ? Do not see anything on you tube showing how. __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)

11-16-2018, 02:21 PM	#15
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	And David meant "ejector" not injector. Do I get to blame my phone? dju

11-16-2018, 03:17 PM	#16
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	Ejector removal is at about 3:00 mark here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-yKfdKUiPw As he's prying it out, if you look closely with his left hand/index finger he is pressing on the front of the part where it protrudes into the interior of the receiver while he pries out the rear. That's how I do it. I use a piece of hardwood on collectibles as my pry-bar to minimize the chance of a scratch. On shooters, a screwdriver works.

11-16-2018, 05:44 PM	#19
admiral1960 User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Covington, WA Posts: 84 Thanks: 0 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	OK Guys, enough levity, down to business. The ejector is broken, the front part that does the ejecting, I assume., is missing about 1/4" . Will attach photos if I am able. Thank you guys again for the input. Any suggestions as to where to purchase another one ? Attached Images __________________ seeking "Trigger Sideplate"for 1916 DWM with 04 SN Allen Michler AW1, USNR-R (10 yrs) LTC, TC, USAR (29 yrs)