I found this Luger on the attic - Page 2

swedeluger · 06-16-2006, 08:04 PM

Well, this sounds very interesting. As I told before I have no knowledge in what the letters means on the brass plate. So, I trust that a person from Finland maybe knows what he talks about. Is there any military records in Finland that are open for person like me to get information from the military to get knowledge about the brassplate?

some_finn · 06-17-2006, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by tacfoley
you mean it was SEIZED by the Soviet invaders

Thanks for the proper phrasing!

My grandmother was evacuated from Karelia and I'm three quarters Karelian so "Karjala elÃ?Â¤Ã?Â¤" indeed!

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Originally posted by swedeluger
Is there any military records in Finland that are open for person like me to get information from the military to get knowledge about the brassplate?

I just luckily found an old document (1936) reproduced on the web that happened to have a list of the units and their abbreviations.

Maybe the Military Museum (Sotamuseo) might be able to help you if you want to know something more specific.

Of course they might want the gun "back" as it probably was taken without permission (aka stolen) from the Army. Well, probably not a big deal any more. After the war ended, some soldiers travelled to Sweden in fear of retribution from the Soviet occupation forces, maybe one of them took it to Sweden? I'm just making guesses based on the fact that it was found apparently quite unexpectedly in an attic.

What about the caliber, have you checked? As someone wrote, it should be obvious looking at the ammo. The 7.65 cartridge case has a shoulder and the 9mm does not. Or you could just use a ruler or something to check the muzzle, 1,5mm is such a big difference you won't need a precision instrument to measure which is it.

swedeluger · 06-17-2006, 04:55 AM

Thanks for info. It is a 7.65 mm. You see it both on the ammo and I have also checked the size of barrel. How the pistol came to Sweden I do not know but, but either with a finnish soldier or maybe some civilian who got it from a military. Who knows?
But, it is very funny to try to get to know the history of the pistol and one start is to get to know what LAS 6 / 1 means. Was the Finnish Lugers always marked in this way? Did they change the number on the brass plate if the Luger went to another place? When did they stop using the Luger in the Finnish army?
I send a picture again on the Brassplate
Regards
E

LARGE VERSION
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/las61.jpg

swedeluger · 07-13-2006, 12:37 PM

Hi all!
I have now got the information that "LAS" that are on the Luger, should mean "Lentojaukkosen teknillinenkoulu". This should be a Airbase with Teknology support. It was placed in (kauhava) in Finland.

some_finn · 07-13-2006, 02:26 PM

Lentojoukkojen teknillinen koulu, it means something like the Air Force Aviation Technology College, actually.
During the war it moved several times, to Kauhava only in 1945.

I don't know where you got this idea but IMHO this is much less plausible than my earlier explanation which was based on a 1930s document which, as I mentioned, included all such abbreviations.

Here is a link to another document listing the organization of the Finnish Army

On page 80 you will find LAs 6 which is also listed here as Lentoasema 6, Airbase 6. From 1934-36 it was Viipuri and 1937-38 Immola.
Lentojoukkojen teknillinen koulu is listed right after that, the official abbreviation is Le.Tekn.Koulu. Also "LAS" wouldn't make much sense as there is no letter "a" in the whole name...

06-16-2006, 08:04 PM	#21
swedeluger User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Very interesting Well, this sounds very interesting. As I told before I have no knowledge in what the letters means on the brass plate. So, I trust that a person from Finland maybe knows what he talks about. Is there any military records in Finland that are open for person like me to get information from the military to get knowledge about the brassplate?

06-17-2006, 04:55 AM	#23
swedeluger User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for info. It is a 7.65 mm. You see it both on the ammo and I have also checked the size of barrel. How the pistol came to Sweden I do not know but, but either with a finnish soldier or maybe some civilian who got it from a military. Who knows? But, it is very funny to try to get to know the history of the pistol and one start is to get to know what LAS 6 / 1 means. Was the Finnish Lugers always marked in this way? Did they change the number on the brass plate if the Luger went to another place? When did they stop using the Luger in the Finnish army? I send a picture again on the Brassplate Regards E LARGE VERSION http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/las61.jpg

07-13-2006, 12:37 PM	#24
swedeluger User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi all! I have now got the information that "LAS" that are on the Luger, should mean "Lentojaukkosen teknillinenkoulu". This should be a Airbase with Teknology support. It was placed in (kauhava) in Finland.

07-13-2006, 02:26 PM	#25
some_finn User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lentojoukkojen teknillinen koulu, it means something like the Air Force Aviation Technology College, actually. During the war it moved several times, to Kauhava only in 1945. I don't know where you got this idea but IMHO this is much less plausible than my earlier explanation which was based on a 1930s document which, as I mentioned, included all such abbreviations. Here is a link to another document listing the organization of the Finnish Army On page 80 you will find LAs 6 which is also listed here as Lentoasema 6, Airbase 6. From 1934-36 it was Viipuri and 1937-38 Immola. Lentojoukkojen teknillinen koulu is listed right after that, the official abbreviation is Le.Tekn.Koulu. Also "LAS" wouldn't make much sense as there is no letter "a" in the whole name...