I got my dream - Page 2

George Anderson · 11-10-2011, 10:11 AM

Harry, as the member who sold the artillery rig to Eric, I am very interested in reading your expert critique of the set.

hgreer2 · 11-10-2011, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson

Harry, as the member who sold the artillery rig to Eric, I am very interested in reading your expert critique of the set.

No expert here George, looks good to me. I never said the rig was not the real deal. My only concern is he probably paid to much for it. The word unscrupulous has several meanings.

Harry

alanint · 11-10-2011, 12:01 PM

I have no dog in this fight, but why is it your concern?

Eric had and has all the resources in the world to determine the market value of anything he is interested in buying. He is, to the best of my knowledge, a grown man who can make his own informed decisions. Eric went to one of the most trusted collector-dealers out there to make his purchase and you are second guessing the process and the fairness of the deal based on what?
The only valid reason I can see for anybody to jump in here was if Eric had voiced concerns over his purchase. He has not. To the contrary, he was elated with his purchase. So why rain on his parade?

I only see "unscrupulous" defined one way;

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unscrupulous

Norme · 11-10-2011, 12:49 PM

I'd like to return, if I may, to the original topic of this thread. Eric, the more I look at your photos, the more envious I get. It's a truly wonderful rig. Unit marked Artilleries are hard to find and unit marked stocks are rarer still. To get a gun and stock marked to the same Regiment is something most collectors just dream about. Is the holster marked in any way? Perhaps you can post photos of the inside of the lid. All the best, Norm

Neil Young · 11-10-2011, 02:07 PM

I second what Norm just said. You have a very nice artillery rig there, and I wager that you got a fair deal.

Take care.

Neil

cirelaw · 11-10-2011, 02:24 PM

Ten years later! Lined up like luger recruits!

JTD · 11-10-2011, 02:41 PM

Eric, You have a really nice Rig there, one to be very proud of, and I am sure you did well on it. John

cirelaw · 11-10-2011, 03:37 PM

KIT GLOVES,There is a sie online for free that contained the full history of each German unit.' The 52d Division was formed in March 1915by taking the 168 and 170th regiments from the famed 29th Division. There are only a few with regimental markings.On Page Jan Still listed the few known 1917 DWM Long P08 His is (169.R.8.K.5) AND (169.R.9.K.8) ours is The gun is (169.r.1.k.6) and the stock (169.R.5.K.4). It is beleived that this and the other arms were surrended to General Perchings' troops

Douglas Jr. · 11-10-2011, 03:44 PM

Eric,

Congratulations for your new aquisition!
It's always a thrilling feeling when something like this happens.

You surely deserve it as a kind of "compensation" for all the time spent in the hospital this year, away from your collection.
Nice way to cure the homesick!

Now it's time to research the units - it always add a lot to the gun story.

All the best,

Douglas.

cirelaw · 11-10-2011, 03:52 PM

According Jan Still, page 122, Imperial Lugers, there were 11 known1917 DWM and only 2 with the same regiment,(169.R.8.K.6) and (169.R.K.8)Our gun is (169.R.1.K.6) and the ultra rare stock (169.1.R.5 K.4) the leather is all the but fragile. I just commited myself to a legit loader. They are like a women with all the accessories!

John Sabato · 11-10-2011, 04:01 PM

Go for it Eric and good luck!

cirelaw · 11-10-2011, 04:06 PM

It proves they are still out there!

cirelaw · 11-10-2011, 04:19 PM

I majored in History before law. Its been so great to trace hisoriies. I can actually name the battles that this gun was in. I remember 'All Quiet On The Western Front, between the rats and mud its amasing any one or luger from their surrender survived. Gods Been Good To Me!

cirelaw · 11-10-2011, 04:49 PM

Douglas its great support from the Mavans of Lugerdom. It feels Good! I had ask a noted collector how we you able to collect so mant lugers? He thought awhile and answered simple "One At Time"!!! Hmmmmm IMAGINE THAT! Please share your knowlege. The worst answer is 'we already answered that question"! These yougins will be tomorows market! We are but Lugerlugersitters. Year ago there were 2 sister both twins their mother died and there was one prized hummel. cLegal fees, court timeThe judge puled a king solomen and made us split the cost of an identical hummel.To much time is wasted. M point you elder (state of mind) have a chance to spread 'Lugerdom' Have patience, lightenup, Make it fun! Due to by boom booms I have been aunable to join my brother at a show like Louisvillle although I might get Debbie to play Caribbean Stud in Vegas!

Vlim · 11-10-2011, 06:38 PM

Eric, congratulations on a fantastic 1917 Arty. I have one with some minor issues, matching stock and most of the original leather. But the full leather kit and the unit marking on yours are the icing on the cake.

cirelaw · 11-10-2011, 06:53 PM

Getting my loader next month! Its an expensive hobby ps always love to hear for a gem!

cirelaw · 11-10-2011, 07:06 PM

The stock is matched to itr unit but not the individual gun, May have gotten mxed up during surrender!

cirelaw · 12-11-2011, 05:41 PM

Friends for life, Eric

nukem556 · 12-11-2011, 08:25 PM

Well, I usually try to get along with everybody, and enjoy the history and technical aspects of the P08.....but I've had enough of this Harry, Greer, whatever...NO NAME CALLING PLEASE {ADMIN}, and I cringe when I see he's submitted a post. He contributes nothing but pictures of the expensive stuff he's bought, and demands approbation from those who view it.....classic case of having more money than sense. He should have his own reality show, as he is, in the truest sense of the term,.......an........

cirelaw · 12-11-2011, 08:43 PM

Please put it behind you! I know how you feel and I would for me a friend to a friend to remove your comment as it is distracting my joyous happiness by showing what took years and tears to achieve Friend For A Friend, Thank You!!

11-10-2011, 02:07 PM	#25
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 546 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	I second what Norm just said. You have a very nice artillery rig there, and I wager that you got a fair deal. Take care. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

11-10-2011, 02:24 PM	#26
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	At last Ten years later! Lined up like luger recruits! Attached Thumbnails

11-10-2011, 03:52 PM	#30
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	According Jan Still, page 122, Imperial Lugers, there were 11 known1917 DWM and only 2 with the same regiment,(169.R.8.K.6) and (169.R.K.8)Our gun is (169.R.1.K.6) and the ultra rare stock (169.1.R.5 K.4) the leather is all the but fragile. I just commited myself to a legit loader. They are like a women with all the accessories! Attached Thumbnails

11-10-2011, 04:01 PM	#31
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Go for it Eric and good luck! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-10-2011, 04:06 PM	#32
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	It proves they are still out there! Attached Images

11-10-2011, 10:11 AM	#21
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Harry, as the member who sold the artillery rig to Eric, I am very interested in reading your expert critique of the set.

11-10-2011, 12:01 PM	#23
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I have no dog in this fight, but why is it your concern? Eric had and has all the resources in the world to determine the market value of anything he is interested in buying. He is, to the best of my knowledge, a grown man who can make his own informed decisions. Eric went to one of the most trusted collector-dealers out there to make his purchase and you are second guessing the process and the fairness of the deal based on what? The only valid reason I can see for anybody to jump in here was if Eric had voiced concerns over his purchase. He has not. To the contrary, he was elated with his purchase. So why rain on his parade? I only see "unscrupulous" defined one way; http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unscrupulous

11-10-2011, 12:49 PM	#24
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	I'd like to return, if I may, to the original topic of this thread. Eric, the more I look at your photos, the more envious I get. It's a truly wonderful rig. Unit marked Artilleries are hard to find and unit marked stocks are rarer still. To get a gun and stock marked to the same Regiment is something most collectors just dream about. Is the holster marked in any way? Perhaps you can post photos of the inside of the lid. All the best, Norm

11-10-2011, 02:41 PM	#27
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Eric, You have a really nice Rig there, one to be very proud of, and I am sure you did well on it. John

11-10-2011, 03:37 PM	#28
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	KIT GLOVES,There is a sie online for free that contained the full history of each German unit.' The 52d Division was formed in March 1915by taking the 168 and 170th regiments from the famed 29th Division. There are only a few with regimental markings.On Page Jan Still listed the few known 1917 DWM Long P08 His is (169.R.8.K.5) AND (169.R.9.K.8) ours is The gun is (169.r.1.k.6) and the stock (169.R.5.K.4). It is beleived that this and the other arms were surrended to General Perchings' troops

11-10-2011, 03:44 PM	#29
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Eric, Congratulations for your new aquisition! It's always a thrilling feeling when something like this happens. You surely deserve it as a kind of "compensation" for all the time spent in the hospital this year, away from your collection. Nice way to cure the homesick! Now it's time to research the units - it always add a lot to the gun story. All the best, Douglas.

11-10-2011, 04:19 PM	#33
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I majored in History before law. Its been so great to trace hisoriies. I can actually name the battles that this gun was in. I remember 'All Quiet On The Western Front, between the rats and mud its amasing any one or luger from their surrender survived. Gods Been Good To Me!

11-10-2011, 04:49 PM	#34
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Douglas its great support from the Mavans of Lugerdom. It feels Good! I had ask a noted collector how we you able to collect so mant lugers? He thought awhile and answered simple "One At Time"!!! Hmmmmm IMAGINE THAT! Please share your knowlege. The worst answer is 'we already answered that question"! These yougins will be tomorows market! We are but Lugerlugersitters. Year ago there were 2 sister both twins their mother died and there was one prized hummel. cLegal fees, court timeThe judge puled a king solomen and made us split the cost of an identical hummel.To much time is wasted. M point you elder (state of mind) have a chance to spread 'Lugerdom' Have patience, lightenup, Make it fun! Due to by boom booms I have been aunable to join my brother at a show like Louisvillle although I might get Debbie to play Caribbean Stud in Vegas!

11-10-2011, 06:38 PM	#35
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Eric, congratulations on a fantastic 1917 Arty. I have one with some minor issues, matching stock and most of the original leather. But the full leather kit and the unit marking on yours are the icing on the cake.

11-10-2011, 06:53 PM	#36
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Found a dated 1917 'germany' Getting my loader next month! Its an expensive hobby ps always love to hear for a gem! Attached Thumbnails

11-10-2011, 07:06 PM	#37
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The stock is matched to itr unit but not the individual gun, May have gotten mxed up during surrender!

12-11-2011, 05:41 PM	#38
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I Thank My Two Georges To Make A Wonderful Christmas Friends for life, Eric Attached Thumbnails

12-11-2011, 08:25 PM	#39
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Well, I usually try to get along with everybody, and enjoy the history and technical aspects of the P08.....but I've had enough of this Harry, Greer, whatever...NO NAME CALLING PLEASE *{ADMIN}*, and I cringe when I see he's submitted a post. He contributes nothing but pictures of the expensive stuff he's bought, and demands approbation from those who view it.....classic case of having more money than sense. He should have his own reality show, as he is, in the truest sense of the term,.......an........

12-11-2011, 08:43 PM	#40
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Please put it behind you! I know how you feel and I would for me a friend to a friend to remove your comment as it is distracting my joyous happiness by showing what took years and tears to achieve Friend For A Friend, Thank You!!